Who said anything about super-secret? It’s simply been kept low-key, so mindless morons like yourself won’t notice it while you’re busy watching the pretty fireballs lighting up Bagdad.
Well, no one would waste their breathe on a cretin like you. You obviously have a problem comprehending what you see on the TV screen in front of you, or do you only watch censored propagandised media?
The HUGE numbers who have protested against this war over the past weeks are from a wide cross section of the populations of many countries, if you choose to ignore this it does nothing more than reinforce the rest of the worlds opinion of the narrow minded bigotted nature of Americans like you.
I wonder how many psychos thought “Demonstration? Now there’s a good idea. I’ll wear face paint. It’ll be fun!”
We always damn well have been - right back to the eighties when the West was arming him and pointing him at Iran. WTF were you doing then?
Yeah well you can go eat my ass, fuckhead. Every weekend I have to wade through a sea of these morons in NYC. Your right it’s a cross section. it’s a cross section of naive idealists, bored students, potheads, ex-hippies, conspiracy nuts, bleeding heart liberals, and assorted other people with very little else to do with their time.
Not to mention, shitbag, that you are a fucking hypocrite. I guess it’s ok to bash Americans as ignorant bigots because that’s the “cool” thing to do. You wouldn’t have had a problem if I said “go put on your suit and tie and go do your evil rich corporate stuff”, right?
Oh and by the way, people here in American are not “pro-war”. We are not “for the war in Iraq”. We do not receive a thrill from seeing armored vehicles racing across the desert. We are anti-having a VX gas canister go off in Times Square. Next time you people protest, why don’t you continue down from Washington Square to the World Trade Center site? That is what this war is about. Preventing those kinds of attacks. Not cheap oil. Not freeing the Iraqi people.
What pisses me off about the protesters is not their message. It’s their method. First of all, they aren’t anti-war. They are anti-Bush. If Bush announced the sun was going to come up in the East tomorrow they would stage a rally to criticize his pro-Sun in East policy. They are just so smug in their self-righteousness.
And another thought for that tiny little head of yours. I actually know someone who has been killed in Iraq already. I didn’t know him that well and how I knew him wasn’t important. But I can see first-hand the effect the war is having on his friends and family. So next time you want to paint all Americans as war-mongering ignorant bigots who get all their info from TV, kindly go fuck yourself.
But thanks for your well thought out paragraph on why “no one would waste their breathe on a cretin like [me]”.
Wondering when the Iranians would release their American hostages.
I think the mindless moron is the one who takes a standard political position paper issued by Republicans to a Democratic administration and make it out to be some type of master plan. I am hardly entranced by “fireballs lighting up Bagdad”, I don’t even watch TV news, I tend to look for more solid, detailed information and anylisis from both sides of the issue. It’s a little technique I learned while I was getting degrees in Military History and Political Science. What have you got, besides puppet strings dangling from the fingers of those idiots assuring you that “it’s all a big, bad conspiracy, no need to think, just believe as we tell you, little rjung”.
If you “damn well have been” then why do I not hear a plan to do something about it?
“WTF [was I] doing then?” I was hoping they could help inflict some damage on our most pressing enemy - WAG, you must have missed the boat back then too!
I do not believe that the enemy of my enemy is necessarily my friend. But it does not preclude me from accepting help from my enemies enemy. Just like I believe that we helped the people of Afghanistan establish a better government - and the government and people will probably hate us anyway.
Sigh
…you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make Weirdddave think.
Hmm. One of us is parroting the empty rhetoric of the appeasement crowd and the other is analyizing the situation and forming his own opinions. If regurgitaing what you’ve been told is what passes for “thinking” in your world, Ii’ll take a pass, thanks all the same. I find informed decisions are much better in the long run.
After Reagan agreed to supply arms to them too, in exchange? That worked out well.
Well, IMHO, “stupid” protestors are right here. See, the SF Bay area is mostly anti-war- no surprise, they have always heard “a different drummer”.
So, they are throwing rocks, breaking windows, and specifically & deliberately blocking traffic & businesses. Why HERE for gods sake? All they are doing is pissing off the undecided, and making some who are somewhat anti-war (like me), want to support the Administration even more.
Look, dudes- I have been antiwar since this whole thing started. But- you’re losing me- every day I am going more & more to the “war” side- and I don’t want to. But since to be “anti-war” is to be on the same side as these loser violent dirtballs, I’m starting to re-think my opposition.
rjung- since you claim to be able to find this in ten seconds by a search- how’s about a link? Not a link that says “yes, america will need more oil”, that’s no hard thing to figure out. No, what I want is a link that has Cheney quoted as “the best way to do this is to use the terrorism as a pretext”. You know we really don’t need Irag now that we have Kuwait in our pocket.
I’m with you. Every time I see a post like “I hope the war goes badly so Bush won’t get reelected” I just get more angry with the peacenoids.
Is this from the same ‘We’ll be out of oil by the late 80’s’ source?
Straight from the White House: National Energy Policy.
Iraq is, quite simply, the biggest “emerging region” that American petroleum companies and American power don’t already have influence over. Couple this with the PNAC’s push for a war with Iraq, and the collusion of interests is amazingly convenient.
Personally, once the war has started I’m thinking protesting isn’t going to do much (in a practical sense anyway). Like any gigantic government undertaking, this war is like a big machine: once it gets going it takes a lot to derail it. I seriously doubt the anti-war protestors are going to be able to muster the political power necessary to stop it. Hell, Bush couldn’t even stop it at this point, even if he wanted to. The war has got to run its course, unfortunately, and right now I’m more concerned with getting it over with as quickly and painlessly (for both sides) as possible and rebuilding Iraq into a stable state in the aftermath.
And let me weigh in again with how moronic I find our President and his gaggle of knuckleheaded stooges. Nice job on illustrating exactly how not go about starting a war in the post-Cold War Era, you idiotic excuse for a ‘leader’.
So you are willing to believe in the most tenuos evidence when it involves Bush and oil but not Sadaam and WMD?
BWAHAHAHAHA!
Rjung, you’re priceless! Please, buddy, keep an eye out, I’d hate it if the black helicopters got you, you’re so damn amusing!
Your “proof” is a political preddure paper aimed at Bill Clinton coupled with a statement from the White House that says:
A: There’s lots of oil in the Middle East
B: The world needs oil
C: Thus the Middle East will remain a crutial component of America’s foreign policy.
Your quote, BTW, comes from two seperate paragraphs in chapter 8 of the report and ignores whole pages of that same chapter which call for sanctions, investment and increased international co-operation coupled with further development of Western Hemesphire energy sources to reduce our dependence on oil from the Middle East. You’re a real piece of work, you know that?
That should be “Political pressure paper” :rolleyes: @ myself.
Not only are they pissing people off, they are costing the city about $1 million a day. link