Stupid cop

Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
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I’m not really sure what forum this belongs in, but let’s start it here and see what interesting journey it takes.

I’ll try telling this by deidentifying the parties involved as much as possible.

A friend is a psychologist and works at a home for mental patients. It is not a business, it is a home. The residents are, among other things, schizophrenic, bipolar, and… well, some are schizophrenic. I really don’t know the details. But they are clearly unable to live on their own.

The other night my friend got a call from someone on staff that night. One patient was antagonizing another. The staffer was reporting it to my friend, when the one patient hit the other, knocking her to the floor.

My friend said to call 911 and have that patient arrested. Violence in that home is not tolerated and is an arrestable offense. So the cops arrived, but refused to make an arrest. The one that my friend talked to kept saying that there was nothing they could do, being that the incident happened in a business, not a home. The cop insisted on this, despite my friend telling him again and again that it was a home, not a business.

The cop also refused to arrest the patient because there were no witnesses. Apparently the staffer didn’t count. He informed her that only cops can be witnesses. And assaults can only happen in homes.

Yes, you read that right. My friend even verified that. She asked if she was free and clear to assault a random stranger on the street, and if there were no cops around, it would be impossible for her to be arrested. And since it would not be in someone’s home, even a cop couldn’t be a witness to it.

Wow, who knew? Either I have a serious misunderstanding of the law, or that was one stoopid and lazy cop who needs some serious unpaid time off.

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Couldn’t arrest someone because it was a business? So, if someone pulled a gun and held up the place, they couldn’t arrest the robber?

Either the police officer was really, really confused, or he was dicking around. I suggest a call to the precinct. His superior can order more training or rip him a new one as necessary.

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Just guessing here. Perhaps there was a lack of evidence, and the cop felt it didn’t qualify as a domestic violence situation. It’s the lack of evidence part I find puzzling if there were witnesses. If it’s just one party accusing the other with no witnesses with no visible injuries I could understand a cop not wanting to make an arrest.

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It could be that there was no evidence, despite there being a witness. My thought is that the cop didn’t want to have to deal with a mentally ill person. Lazy, IOW.

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Yeah, more retraining is in order. Or the cop should be fired, because that’s a really, really stupid thing to say.

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IMHO, someone at the home (your friend, the home’s manager, someone like that) should be calling the precinct today to talk to some kind of supervisor, so everyone can be very clear on what should happen in the next situation like that. With a letter following that, laying out in writing what everyone agreed on. If the lazy cop gets yelled at by his boss, well that’s a nice side effect, but the main thing is to get it right next time. Of course, if the cop supervisor isn’t helpful, then the next calls are to municipal elected officials.

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No idea about the cop’s logic, but even if it’s located in someone’s home, doesn’t the fact that your friend is working there imply that it’s a (home-based) business? Or is this strictly a volunteer/non-profit endeavor?

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I really don’t know. But since the incident happened between residents, I would think that it counts as a home. It’s certainly a private residence.

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Did either of the two patients ask the cop for an arrest or was it just your friend? Were they both women? Was either/both elderly or a minor? Querus has a good idea, your friend needs to know what the procedure should be. He might have been able to say the right thing which would have required the cop to act.

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I didn’t hear what went on there, I just heard one side of the phone conversation. (And bits of the cop.) It was two women, and I got the impression that the victim was old, but not really eldery.

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A report of a lazy cop wouldn’t surprise many people. But in this case perhaps he’s just familiar with the procedures and knew this wasn’t going anywhere. I’d think they’d just take the accused to a hospital anyway. The cop should have explained the procedures to your friend though. Even if he’s following procedure he could be more helpful.

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It is possible the victim was refusing to press assault charges (w/out a victim, what can the cop do?).

Some states allow law enforcement to press domestic violence charges even when the victim refuses to press charges based only on evidence the cop has seen. BUT, this would not have been a domestic violence case because they are two residents of a commercial business and not two people living together in a private home.

So, the worker may have been pushing for charges when the victim was refusing to press charges and the officer may have muddied the water by saying… “IF they were living together… but they’re not…”

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You wouldn’t be arrested for that here either. What you would be able to do is file a complaint and the other party would have to show up in court. You would only be arrested on the spot if the cops saw you throw the punch.

Are there really places where you can pick up the telephone and say someone hit you and have another person arrested?

If a group home is staffed, it is a business. If several schizophrenic and bipolar people get together and decide to rent a house and live together to save on expenses, it’s a residence.

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I was wondering about that. Would he make her sit in jail all night then return her the next morning? It could be that there was really nothing to do about it. But if that were the case he didn’t explain it very well.

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This. She should have been told that she can go to the magistrate’s office and file a complaint.

ETA: I found this article on the first page of googling ‘arrest for assault’ that explains it. This article is specifically for Texas law, but I imagine it is the same in some other places as well, and I know that it is true for NC.

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Really? So the cop was right?

What if she stayed dangerous after the cop left? (As it turns out, she was pretty aggressive all weekend, but I didn’t hear that she threw any more punches.)

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That link isn’t working. Let’s try it again.

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I fixed it, thanks.

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Bolding mine. Wouldn’t that be the case here? (This is neither TX nor NC, it’s MA.)

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Just a WAG, but there being supervision by the staff member would have mitigated that risk.