I save my outrage for parents who thoughtlessly throw swimming pools at their children.
Here you go: Kegger Blast
Somebody can point to where this incident was discussed earlier in the thread, since the actual event was two years ago, but for some reason it has bubble to the surface (probably a lawsuit). Teacher surprised by school-shooter drill, as a gun with blanks is fired at her face in the crime-ridden metropolis of Halfway Oregon. She is now dealing with PTSD (no!) and trying to get compensation for the incident.
On the school theme, teacher tackles student after he fires a shot in the air, no injuries – stupid as in why are kids bringing guns to school (Lacey is a pretty suburban town)?
I like the bit where the idiots running the drill checked with the Sheriff’s office to make sure they didn’t terrorize anyone with a CCW permit, so they didn’t get their ass shot as someone defended themselves and/or the school.
Wonder if they’d try that stunt in a state (like my idiot neighbor KS) where one no longer needs a permit?
Could you elaborate on the restrictions of gun rights imposed between, say, the mid-1970s and the late 1980s? Gotta say I missed it at the time.
From Wonkette, the tale of misplaced handguns by the security details of our nations politicians, (most recently one of Boehner’s) in a bathroom stall where it was discovered by a young boy:
Maybe with additional training?
This was an issue that was discussed fairly early in this thread as it seemed to happen frequently.
And it’s understandable if you consider the basic logistics of it - if you’ve got a belt holster you don’t want to just drop it on the floor with your trousers, so you take the gun out and put it somewhere safe [sic]. And people being people, occasionally things get left behind.
That said, gun training really ought to include a section on “what to do with your gun while you’re crapping” since this is a common problem.
The best advice I’ve heard for that situation is to put the weapon in your pants between your feet. Bad jokes aside, it’s probably what I would do.
- Drop pants to mid-thigh, keep legs spread to keep pants from falling down. Use one hand to stabilize if it helps.
- Pull down underwear, wrap elastic band over top of holstered firearm.
- Lower pants as needed to conduct business. The underwear elastic will keep the holster from inverting.
- Reverse procedure to pull pants back up.
Works for me. Also helps not to have a cheap-ass holster that doesn’t grip the firearm. You spend hundreds on the weapon. Spend money to get quality gear.
Oregon passes a measure closing loopholes in required background checks for gun sales. The GOP and NRA lose their minds.
I agree. But if you let anti-gun politicos set the bar, they can sometimes set the bar impossibly high.
Its not a conservative value to be able to exercise constitutional rights.
The quintessential constitutional power lies in the right to vote and if we can make people register to vote we can make them register to carry a gun.
The constitution preserves our right to keep and bear arms, not the right to do so secretly. However we can grant people the right to anonymity in gun ownership through legislation and it seems to be what happened here.
Like bone said, the sky doesn’t fall on our heads when have shall issue gun permits or even constitutional carry. The folks who felt restrained by the previous laws were not the problem.
Suppressors prevent hearing damage and reduce noise pollution. If you have a gun for home defense, you might want a suppressor so that you don’t blow out your eardrums. You might want a silencer when you go hunting so that you won’t have to wear hearing protection (which generally reduces your situational awareness).
Suppressors suppress sound, they don’t actually make guns silent. Suppressors don’t make guns that go BANG! BANG! start going Thwipp thwipp. They make guns that go BANG! BANG! go bang. bang.
Unlikely as silencers reduce accuracy and power.
Not to mention add a lot of weight and are mostly useless except for sub-sonic rounds- which are not often used for hunting.
I believe this is false - do you have a cite?
My understanding is that modern silencers will not impact accuracy nor power. Historically there may have been swipes in historical suppressors but this is no longer the case. Compensation must be made for greater barrel weight but groupings should not be impacted. Power may be slightly increased actually, as there is more time for the bullet to spend in the barrel being propelled.
It’s true it depends on the type of silencer, on the modern non-swipe type the reduction is small, less than 5%. Still, it adds weight, increases barrel weight at the muzzle thus effecting balance.
In any case, still sub-sonic rounds must be used, and no serious game is hunted with those.
I guess if you’re hunting rats in your basement with a .22 short, then sure, why not?
Varmints, sure:
The surge in popularity of suppressors may stem more from the novelty of the device than the benefits to the hunter. The suppressor is designed to screw into the barrel of the gun and never comes in contact with the bullet as it leaves the barrel which causes minimal, if any affect to the velocity or range of the bullet. In addition to reducing hearing loss, Braziel surmised that hunters who were hunting in close proximity to residential areas may find more benefit with sound suppressors or varmint hunters who were trying to kill numerous animals in packs, like coyotes, could benefit. He also said that sales of suppressors in his store were about evenly split between rifles and handguns.
and note, using a suppressor does not actually make the gun safe to fire without hearing protection:
While some consider the noise reduction of a suppressor significant enough to permit safe shooting without hearing protection (“hearing safe”), noise-induced hearing loss may occur at 85 time-weighted-average decibels or above if exposed for a prolonged period,[34] and suppressed gunshots regularly meter above 130 dB. However, the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration uses 140 dB as the “safety cutoff” for impulsive noise, which has led most U.S. manufacturers to advertise sub-140 dB suppressors as “hearing safe”. Current OSHA standards would allow no more than sub-single-second exposure to impact noise over 130 dB per 24 hours. That would equate to a single .308 round fired through a very efficient suppressor. This result effectively requires all users of suppressors to wear additional ear protection.
I am not saying they are evil or useless, just that most guys who buy them do so as they think they are in some sort of paramilitary or end-time survival tale, or like the novelty.
Kentucky Sheriff’s Deputy shoots mom during wedding ceremony. He got up, adjusted his jacket, pistol fell out, discharged, mom in the hospital, in stable condition. It was not his service weapon (he was off the clock), most of those IIUC are the kind designed not to discharge from being dropped.
All the more reason for men to get into wearing kilts: nothing to pull down in the reading-room (unless you are one of those crazy people not fond of adequate ventilation).
Your cite doesn’t support your claim. You are making 3 claims all of which I think are false:
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[li]silencers reduce accuracy[/li][li]silencers reduce power[/li][li]sub-sonic rounds must be used[/li][/ol]
Increasing barrel weight would not decrease accuracy. When you refer to accuracy it’s mostly about consistent groupings. Yes the weight needs to be compensated for but that’s it. It’s not to like the bullets will go in less predictable patterns with a modern suppressor.
Modern, non-swipe suppressors do not contact the bullet at all. Any affect to the velocity of the bullet should be an increase, not a decrease.
Your link talks about hunting with suppressors, in multiple calibers, but no mention of sub-sonic rounds. Using sub-sonic rounds would surely further reduce the noise level, but they are in no way a requirement.
For me, I would like a suppressor simply because it makes the range time more comfortable. I currently use both ear plugs and the ear muffs because guns are freakin loud. Of course I live in CA which has stupid fucking gun laws so that’s out.
None of this is correct.
Yes, true, when i was talking about large reductions in accuracy and velocity, I was talking about the old-school type.
Increasing barrel weight doesnt decrease accuracy but it does decrease your ability to react for a snap-shot, and also how long you can hold for a shot without a bipod. Ever try and hold a shot with a heavy barrel rifle? After even a short time you start shaking.
The wiki article does mention subsonic:
Once you use a supersonic bullet, the crack will negate pretty much any use of a suppressor. I mean, I guess you could use supersonic rounds with a silencer, and the noise will be a little bit less, but there’s no real point to it.
But the link does say "*The surge in popularity of suppressors may stem more from the novelty of the device than the benefits to the hunter. … In addition to reducing hearing loss, Braziel surmised that hunters who were hunting in close proximity to residential areas may find more benefit with sound suppressors or varmint hunters who were trying to kill numerous animals in packs, like coyotes, could benefit. "
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So, varmints, as I said.