For one, it is often literally skin off of other people’s noses, or arms, or legs - there were 16,864 non-fatal unintentional firearms injuries in the US in 2013. People should be free to go to church or the store and not be injuried because someone dropped their fear-reducing amulet on the floor.
This doesn’t even include accidental shootings that do not involve injuries - where someone has a bullet go through their house or is fortunate to not be struck by an accidental discharge at Walmart.
I think the more fundamental problem though is the ABSOLUTE OPPOSITION that gun fucks show towards doing anything to reduce the problems associated with gun carrying.
In fact, I am confident that you or your ilk are attempting right now to refute or disregard the nonfatal injury stat above, rather than say something reasonable like that’s a problem we should do something about.
So, bottom line: the evidence is clear and compelling (to rational people not engaged in motivated reading) that guns are a net harm. Salving your crippling fear is not worth increasing the risk to everyone else.
But let’s see. Let’s not restrict it to gun deaths, shall we. How do you propose reducing harmful gun incidents (injuries, deaths and non-injurious harm to others)?
As I expected, those documents include mostly crimes not involving guns. Find stats on gun-related crimes only, and break them down in rates per capita among permittees and non-permittees. That is the only way to tell if permittees have high rates of misusing their guns.
A gun fuck is someone who proclaims to be interested in reducing gun injuries, but who, when asked how they propose reducing gun injuries, focuses instead on defining what a gun fuck is.
I’m no statistician, but that seems like a completely pointless way to produce numbers. Let’s pick one, sexual assault of a child in 2013. 693 total convictions, only 20 of which were by CHL holders. They even put a percentage on there, 2.886%! Seems small, until you go elsewhere on the internet to find that CHL holders make up less then 2% of the Texas population. Oops.
I don’t know if that is specific enough. They are basically just saying “we controlled for variables” In have seen these sort of claims before in other studies as proof that (legal access to guns)=(more murders) and all I have gotten was a correlation between guns in the home and higher murder rate.
I don’t think I disagree with any of that. I would add that the bad cops constitute a small minority of cops and that small minority of cops would be even smaller if the good cops didn’t let the bad cops slide on so much of the bad shit they do.
Does it matter at all that people who have permits to carry guns are not just more law abiding than the average citizen, they are more law abiding than the average cop.
uh huh. Like your reaction to the new study that Fear Itself linked to: ‘I’m ignorant of the terminology and techniques of science, so I reject the conclusions.’
Shorter Dumuri: ‘I will not respond til I get the talking points about handwaving away this study from the gun fuck community.’
Someone stated earlier that the overall crime rate is irrelevant because it was not gun specific enough. I would have thought that things like murder and assault with a deadly weapon would be the most relevant. The rate of those over seems to be well below the 2% rate you mention. And consistently so when you look at the various years.
Once again, I’m not a statistician, but it occurs to me that these are raw numbers, small samples sizes, and control for no factors. Furthermore, the fact that you just dropped them out there without even bothering to find % of Texans who have a CHL (1.8%) suggests that your intent might have been to mislead.
I’d bet that CHL holders tend to be at least middle class, and middle class people rarely commit robbery. Do you really think your raw numbers are compelling?
I’ll readily grant that it’s possible that CHL holders commit fewer crimes than the population at large, but the same is probably true for Audi owners, or people with nice Moen faucets where the faucet head pulls out of the neck. Those things are great, and people with those in their kitchen probably aren’t going around committing robberies. Does that mean the Moen faucets make people less likely to commit crimes?
In other words, raw numbers are meaningless, you need to control for other factors.