Don’t mistake me for one who is interested in any political debate about guns. Gun control is a losing issue; we should acquiesce and just give every American a hand gun on his or her 9th birthday(*) or whatever it is the NRA wants. Since most gun deaths are of a gun owner or its genetic kin, one can argue that gun deaths, and therefore gun ownership, have a useful positive effect on the gene pool!
I skim this thread mainly for recreation. The sanctimonious stupidity of the gun nuts is entertaining … and instructive: these are often the same people who brought us the Donald for President.
(* - No, I don’t really think the NRA advocates this. Sheeesh; you gun nuts are so obsessed and have such narrow cognition that you can’t even recognize sarcasm.)
I think gun control is a losing issue for Democrats, and both political and legal/Constitutional barriers make gun control (which is far different than gun banning) almost impossible without a big sea change in societal attitudes.
Just thinking about it with some common sense, I don’t worry about the “good guys” with a gun. I worry about the idiots with a gun. And I’ve known a lot more folks who frequently act like idiots (whether due to alcohol, drugs, machismo, poor judgment, clumsiness, or whatever) than who demonstrate the level of responsibility necessary to prevent ~99.99% of gun accidents and tragedies. I’m curious if conservatives/2nd-amendment-absolutists/NRA types disagree with me about how many idiots are out there, or accept this as a necessary trade-off for full rights?
So I’m applauding the death of toddlers when I point out that short of disarming our police, we are still going to see some accidental shootings like this? Its criminal negligence to be sure but what law would you propose that would have prevented this? I mean, its already illegal to leave a gun where a kid can their hands on it.
Because its a pretty offensive thing to say (even for the pit) and there are other posters here who have posted similar sentiments without their tongue in their cheek. Just go back to the period immediately following Sandy Hook.
:dubious: Yeah, your posts seem pretty neutral on the issue. They don’t invite debate at all.
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This seems like another one of those myths perpetuated by the gun grabbers at the violence policy institute.
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I skim this thread mainly for recreation. The sanctimonious stupidity of the gun nuts is entertaining … and instructive: these are often the same people who brought us the Donald for President.
Because there are in fact gun grabbers that actually hold the positions of your caricature of gun grabbers, Poe’s law kicks in whenever you attempt to use sarcasm or "hyperbole.
The gun nuts I know who voted for Trump were mostly voting against Hillary. She made gun control a central element of her general campaign when she didn’t have to.
I can sort of understand her running on gun control during her primary campaign because it was the only issue where she was to the left of Bernie. But then she carried it into her general campaign and gun control was highlighted during the Democratic National Convention.
This story belongs in the ‘Guns are so very wonderful’ thread — nobody gets hit by a bullet (and the kids definitely stop trespassing when they hear the gunshot!) — but I’ve been admonished not to post there.
In your zeal to show dislike for me, you’ve left us in doubt about what your contribution to this story is. Is it a ‘Guns are so very wonderful’ story or not?
How about that one? Two fine citizens doing their part in defending our borders as a “Militia … necessary to the security of a free State” ?
If the story had involved 16+ year olds, rather than 13 year olds, and if there hadn’t been video evidence to back up the kids against the cop’s word, it probably would be considered a justified DGU. There are plenty of posts in the positive news thread that are about someone using a gun to protect property.
It would probably be “Thugs vandalize and trespass on officer’s property, then assaulted the officer. Officer drew and fired his weapon once. No injuries.”
As the quite a number (probably the majority, but I’m not going through and counting) of DGU’s in that thread have only the word of the shooter that it was justified, I do think that without the video evidence that this officer was lying, it probably would have made it.
As far as the 11 year-old goes, I wasn’t seriously suggesting that it should be posted in there, as it is obvious that that thread is only for feel good stories about guns, and anything that casts any sort of negative shadow on the use of those toys could upset or trigger the fairly delicate sensibilities of gun owners, so certainly should not go there. At the same time though, it literally was positive news that occurred because of an incident with a gun, and falls very well under the OP’s "This is a thread to bring up another aspect of gun ownership - positive news. I post it in this forum instead of in the Pit since it really is not any kind of statistical analysis, just mindless data points to share. Hopefully people can add their own positive news items relating to firearms. ", were it not for the fact that then they would have to acknowledge that their toys ended the life of an innocent child.
Hell, if I were a parent of a recipient of that child’s organs, I would have posted in that thread completely unsarcastically, as it would be very good news to me.
That fits. If it were not proven that these responsible gun owners were absolute liars, then the story probably would have gone in there as “Two texas campers sustain injuries from illegal immigrants ambushing and attempting to kidnap their families, but protect their families and drive them off with their guns. DGU with no deaths.”
That asshole should be fired. he should be charged with everything that might possibly apply. The cops who sided with him and arrested the boys should face charges. And they ALL should have a black mark on their record, so they fail every background check from now until hell freezes over… I state that as a “pro-gun” person.
I like the 2nd Amendment, but some people should not have guns OR authority.
