How reasonable is your fear that now that Donald Trump is President, American society will regress to a 1920s level of conservatism, discrimination and oppression? Hyperbole indeed.
Huh? I don’t recall everything I’ve posted here, so help me out. Where did I say that? Also, even if i did, how is that relevant to this discussion? I have an unreasonable fear of insects, too. That doesn’t in any way invalidate my point.
A Missouri man has been charged with shooting another man. The responsible gun owner, 23 year old Karl Henson, was attempting to sell a cell phone to another man. The buyer allegedly took off running without paying for the phone. Sensing a prime opportunity for the elusive Defensive Gun Use, Henson chased the thief, firing seven shots as the man fled. One bullet struck the thief in the heel. When arrested, Henson told police he believed he was justified in the shooting under Missouri’s new “Stand Your Ground” law.
One hopes Henson’s well regulated militia takes this as a teaching moment and uses their next training session to go over the law as well as proper techniques for firing a weapon while running.
Responsible gun owner my foot. There’s no threat if the suspect is running away from you unless he’s shooting at you as he run.
Presumably, prior to this incident, the shooter was a law abiding gun owner. What caused him to suddenly break bad, and what can we do to prevent such persons from getting guns in the first place?
You insisted that my original post:
meant that I was claiming that gun owners were in imminent danger of having their guns confiscated. My point (I even tried- apparently unsuccessfully- to explain it to you) was that the argument that there’s a floor below which the demands for gun banning will end is untrue: ban all guns but rifles and shotguns for hunting, and there’ll be people crying for banning those too.
I await with weary resignation your misinterpreting this post too.
The man was apparently under the misapprehension that the new law permitted the use of lethal force to prevent the commission of a felony. Stupidly, criminally uninformed but I wouldn’t call it breaking bad.
You know what? I’ll drop it. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.
The legal standard for self-defense is, I think, whether a typical gun owner would feel threatened. By now it’s clear that the typical gun owner is paranoid that any given human might suddenly metamorphize into a giant fire-breathing dragon who wants to butt-fuck the gun owner. So …
Not guilty!
Please post this heroic encounter in the Good Gun News thread.
Let’s set aside the law and gun owners’ ignorance thereof, and focus on the underlying moral issue.
Is murder an appropriate response to theft?
For those still looking for predictors of which states voted for Trump, gun deaths work:
The 7 deadliest states (and 19 of the top 21 – all except NM and NV), as rated by gun deaths per capita, voted for Trump.
The 8 least deadly states (and 12 of the lowest 14 – all except WI and IA) voted for Clinton.
These are not minor differences. Blue Massachusetts had only 3.2 gun deaths per 100,000 people. Red Louisiana scored a whopping six times as many – 19 deaths per 100,000.
To those with his complex, the underlying moral issue is simply Good Guys vs. Bad Guys. Thieves are Bad Guys, and therefore do not have a right to anything, including their own lives. But killing them does not make a Good Guy any less of a Good Guy; in fact it’s required of one. And oneself is always a Good Guy by definition.
That about cover it, Lumpy?
Do not put words in my mouth; you’re starting to sound (and look, and smell) like THIS.
The shooter in question is in trouble because he did NOT have the legal right to shoot someone just to prevent a theft. That reflects currents standards of justice.
In St Louis, a six year old girl was shot by another child while the adults in the house slept. Sometime around 1:30 AM, the girl was shot, apparently by one of the other children in the house. The other children were aged 3, 4, and 9.
On a personal note, I just learned the other day that when my children were being cared for at my mother’s house, there was a loaded revolver lying on the floor in one of the cabinets. My destitute, recently deceased brother lived with my mom. I knew he had a few guns in his closet. I was aware of the unloaded rifles and shotgun. But when we were going through his stuff after his death, I discovered the handgun lying there. Loaded. No trigger lock. Nothing. My kids are 3 and 5. So allow me one last “fuck you” to my brother. He brought constant pain to everyone around him. He was a prick when he was drunk. He was a prick when he was sober. Coulda been worse, though. He might have let my beautiful children get their hands on a FUCKING MURDER TOOL! Fuck you, you stupid, thoughtless, careless ass.
As a responsible gun owner I say amen to that.
I missed this one last time I skimmed the thread:
Lumpy thinks he’s got a fine Gotcha, but actually just demonstrates in another way that gun fetishism is a substitute for thinking.
There are plenty of sickening stories about Americans shot by non-cops. Stupid shootings involving cops deserve special attention because they demonstrate more thoroughly and poignantly how sick America’s gun culture has become. I, for one, have no particular gun control agenda and would be happy just to awaken nuts like Lumpy to see how sick their culture has become. When instead they implicitly applaud the death of a toddler because his dad was a cop, I just shake my head in disbelief.
Damuri Ajashi makes the same stupid “point” as Lumpy.
I didn’t click: Was the victim’s daddy a cop? If so, this story does not qualify as “Stupid gun news” according to the NRA experts who generously give of their time to keep this thread honest. :smack:
HOW THE F*** do you get “implicitly applaud the death of a toddler because his dad was a cop” out of anything I said? ETA: words fail me.
You’re the one who wrote
“Since the guy was a cop, how do you suppose this could have been prevented?”
What in heaven’s name was that comment supposed to mean? The shooting could have been prevented if idiots and gun nuts weren’t admitted to police forces. The shooting could have been prevented if safety training were mandated for gun owners, including cops. The shooting would have been avoided by default in a sane country, i.e. one without America’s obsession with guns Guns GUNS!!
Yet you wrote
“Since the guy was a cop, how do you suppose this could have been prevented?”
What in heaven’s name was the intent or purpose of this sentence?
Of course my “implicitly applaud the death of a toddler because his dad was a cop” was somewhat hyperbolic (HOW THE F*** can you be sentient enough to tie your shoelaces and not have realized that? :smack: ) but your glorification of guns, acceptance of toddler deaths in the fight against gun grabbers (:smack:) and condoning abuses by police certainly did cause me to whack my head, wondering what possible “argument” you thought you were making here.
OK, I’d presumed that the point of the original post was that guns are ok for police but not for everyone else. I see now that was a misapprehension- my bad.
As for the contention that a yahoo attitude towards guns is responsible for gun deaths and injuries, I would respond that plain old carelessness and irresponsibility is a bigger factor than a specific outlook on firearms. Too many gun owners think that children won’t find it there, only to be tragically wrong. And btw, you think police don’t receive gun safety training?