It seems pointless to reason with you, but yeah if you enter someone’s home without invitation and with violent intent, the homeowner is within his rights to shoot your ass. You are truly being dishonest and disingenuous. Froth away, fight for right to pit-party, or better still just admit that your initial callout to the Positive Gun News thread was misguided.
There’s a loud group down here who think the proper response to a news story about some people breaking every single gun safety rule there is–and is likely also the Gun News equivalent of “Teenagers are eating Tide® Pods™! It’s the new dangerous ‘meme’ that’s sweeping the Internets! Could YOUR teenager be eating a Tide® Pod™ right now?!?”–with “All gun owners should shoot their junk off! HAW HAW HAW!”
Hilarious. Hey, guys, I know none of y’all have guns, but I bet you have some sharp knives in your kitchen, dontcha? You don’t need a gun to self-castrate!
(Just to preempt a possible flurry of “I never said that!” lies worthy of Trump himself: Posts that are posted to this thread are still there! Just like the ball, even when it’s under the blanket! We can all still scroll up and read what you said!)
And of course the ever popular “[Horrible tragedy]? Why don’t they post that in the Positive Gun News thread? HAW HAW HAW!”
Not really inclined to argue about the right to keep and bear arms (or any other civil or political right) with people like that. I’ve tried engaging with the people in this thread a few times over the years, but mostly all you get from this echo chamber of braying jackasses are some of the most idiotically irrational and innumerate arguments this side of an anti-vaxxer convention. It just ain’t worth it, and I’m not inclined to bump this very, very stupid thread any more than this.
At least nobody gets banned from THIS thread for disagreeing with you on what “positive” means.
I could not agree more. However, there are many posts in that thread that do seem to carry theme that there are some people who just need killin’.
Or maybe “Man calls police instead of confronting noise violators who were strangers to him. Police disperse crowd, man goes back to bed.” Some people with guns have the confidence to do things they might not do without one.
This particular topic is rife for speculation. As you objected to yourself, there is plenty of speculation upthread on this that fictionalizes what may have happened. There is symmetry to the possible range of such speculation and it won’t get us anywhere.
You might be right. I certainly haven’t spent too much time in that thread, although I pop in occasionally. I was referring only to this particular incident.
Sure. As I said over in that thread, these are all questions worth asking. It could be that the guy in the house is a nut who has just been waiting for a chance to pepper spray or kill someone. It could be that he yelled a tirade of abuse at the crowd for making noise. There could absolutely be a racial component, both in the incident itself, and in the police response to it. Things might have turned out better if he had just called the cops rather than tried to confront them himself, although events of the past few years, and especially the past few days, shows that calling the cops doesn’t always result in a calmer or less violent outcome.
If the people in this thread had simply raised these issues and tried to talk about them in a calm and reasonable manner, I would have been very willing to engage in a nuanced discussion with some give and take. But the introduction to the topic in this thread was fundamentally dishonest in its characterization of the incident, and of the response to it in that thread, and it annoyed me for that reason. That dishonesty was compounded by a series of increasingly ludicrous hypotheticals. And it was capped by the same person who actually linked the two threads trying to Junior Mod by telling me that it was inappropriate to link the two threads. Hilarious in its idiocy.
Fair point. These stories tend to shades of gray that people prefer to cast as black or white. Then again, this is the pit.
To summarize:
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This thread is in the pit.
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That thread is in MPSIMS.
So you think that it was a positive story, great. I disagree.
Because reporting on people doing stupid stuff with our guns makes it our fault that it happens. That we get some gallows humor out of it shouldn’t make you so butt hurt.
People start making videos of them holding sharp knives to their manly bits to show them off to the world, I’ll make fun of them too. Start up a stupid knives news of the day, and I can share some stories I’ve collected over decades of food service.
Yep, we mock you down here in the pit. We agreed to stay out of your thread, and that should be the end of it. You want to re-litigate the whole thing, open up a ATMB thread about it, but I don’t know if the board can handle a meta gun debate right now.
I have little question that many of the stories are justifiable examples of defensive gun use(though some have been questionable on that). My contention has always been that they were of a positive nature to those involved.
I didn’t invite you down here. I’ve held to our truce.
Look, if those goes further, it invites discussing things that are best discussed in ATMB, and I don’t think anyone really wants that.
Long story short, this is the specific place that we are directed to come if we want to criticize stories in the PGNOTD thread. I do not need to go into great detail or justification for venting my opinion about said stories. If you want to debate the particulars of the case, as to whether it was justified from either a legal or ethical perspective, that’s for another thread. (But not PGNOTD, it is not for debating.)
The story is of a noise complaint that escalated into homicide. Justified or not; ethical or not, I do not agree that it is positive. By declaring it positive, yes, they are celebrating an event where a person is killed over a noise complaint. I stand entirely by my post.
How many have actually had noisy neighbors late at night?
One, in my city it is a low priority. Rightly so, but that often equals no response.
Two- I was always polite (at least the first few times), but most of these people were strongly defensive at the notion that they shared the world with others.
I have had 3 (+1) inconsiderate neighbors, one with multiple episodes.
One (white) copper stealing tweaker who occasionally did random music things like play the opening three seconds of a song at full volume, over and over.
A family who likes playing norteno and banda at birthday parties well into the night. They are slightly embarrassed at the request, but also reduce the volume only slightly. And frequently temporarily.
The worst were from Guerrerro (MX) and liked to sit in the street but play music from their garage, which was 10 feet from my wall and 80 feet from the street. They were ALWAYS mad and rarely did anything, and the police were reluctant to do a damn thing.
The plus 1 was neighbor who were asked by the folks who bought the tweaker’s house. They peered over the wooden fence a la Wilson to ask my charming white trash pitbull wielding new folks to not play loud music late. They responded with gunshots- in the air, but still. When my landlord found no cause to do anything, I finally left that place. (The police did nothing because I was inside and did not go to a window in time, and the complainer did not see because he had just gone back into his house.)
Politeness is worth having, but it made no difference.
That belongs in the PGNOTD thread. Peering over the fence? That sounds like entering onto their property to me! Glad they were able to use their guns to drive off their nosy neighbors. Defensive gun use with no injuries, the best kind. Good on them! 
And don’t you just love the liddle pibbles? Everyone I’ve ever met with a pit bull has always been a charming person too!
While I’m not going to argue that there isn’t a fair amount of irrational nonsense being bandied about in this thread (especially after the lengthy petty sniping about the noise complaint incident), let’s not pretend that the irrational nonsense and petty sniping are all on this side and that gun owners are all high-minded patriots only concerned with their Constitutional rights. The bullshit’s pretty deep on both sides of the fence.
Irrelevant, unless you can show me a rule that disallows linking from one forum to another.
All I was doing, by linking, was making MEBuckner (and anyone else who was interested) aware that there was a moron making stupid arguments over here. There’s nothing to stop anyone coming over here to tell you that you have your head up your ass. After all, as you’ve pointed out numerous times, this thread is in the Pit. 
If it makes you feel any better, I have never once claimed that you’re not allowed to “vent your opinion” here. But neither can you prevent me (or anyone else) from coming here and telling you that you’re a dribbling moron for making stupid and dishonest arguments.
I’m glad we got that sorted out.
That thread is loaded down with all kinds of rules. It is not there to be questioned or debated. Any question as to the positivity of the stories in that thread will be modded.
It was a while ago, and it was pages and pages of ATMB, but it was determined that we would not be allowed to post a link to this pit thread to refute the positivity of their stories. That you posted a link to show off that someone is refuting their stories is not much different.
If you want to make an argument as to whether or not we should be linking from that thread to the pit thread that is questioning their stories, or to clarify the rule about it, start a ATMB thread about it. I will support that position.
And if they want to argue their case that the tragic stories that they put on there are positive, they are welcome to do so.
If they want to whine that we mock them for calling tragedies positive stories, they are welcome to do that as well.
If you want to express your self righteous anger that someone dare offend your sensibilities by venting their opinion about how a tragedy is classed as a positive story, you can do that to your heart’s content.
Just don’t pretend that your position is justified, or has a shred of awareness to it.
You are welcome to come to the pit and make any sort of claims you like. That they are off base and ignorant just makes you look like an idiot.
You did come down here and attack me specifically for venting my opinion. I presented no arguments, stupid or dishonest, just expressed my opinion on the “positivity” of the tragedy that MEBuckener chose to share with the board.
If you disagree, then make your argument that this tragedy was a positive story. Tell us why you think that we should celebrate this outcome.
You instead simply chose to take exception to it. I can’t stop you from shitting up a pit thread, but to claim that you did not respond to my post specifically to chastise me for expressing my opinion is you being stupid and dishonest.
Tone trolling, even.
Yes, you consider the escalation of a noise complaint into a homicide to be a positive story. That was clear from your first post in this thread. Glad you finally sorted that out for yourself.
This is my last post on the subject outside of an ATMB thread, and I am not going to be the one to open that.
dammit! I was enjoying reading that.
Right, which is why they can come over here and tell you how fucking dumb you are.
My God, but you are as dumb as a bag of fucking hammers.
I didn’t attack you for venting your opinion. I attacked the content of actual opinion, which is fucking stupid because it is based on a dishonest summary of the case. That you can’t understand the distinction speaks to what a fucking useless turd you are.
More dishonesty. I’'ve already explicitly said that I don’t consider any death, in and of itself, a positive outcome, and I’ve already explicitly declaimed any celebration. My only aim in responding to your initial post was to demonstrate its dishonesty. I’ve done that, and you’re clinging to your mendacity anyway, so I guess I’m done.
LOL. It’s clear that you don’t even understand what this term means. I have never once criticized you for your emotion or your tone. I’m criticizing the content of your argument (thin as it is), because it mischaracterizes (intentionally, in my opinion) what happened in Eureka.
Well, what I learned here is that k9briender is lying to the point of trolling, and likes to make shit up to get to the “ethics” of it all.
What I already knew is that if you pursue someone into their house, you are liable to find yourself dead, no matter the reason for pursuing them. And more than likely, the shooting will be legal, no matter the scenario immediately preceding the shooting.
If I go for a walk in the neighborhood, and I see someone counting a big envelope of cash, and I decide for a joke to pull a knife and tell him to give it to me - if I then get shot, I didn’t get shot for talking a walk. Or even for pulling a joke. I got shot while committing armed robbery.
Okay, for you manson1972, just one more.
My characterization had nothing to do with what happened in Eureka, and all to do with it being classed as a positive story. Look at the initial post that I made. What content was there? It had entirely to do with the story being classed as positive, and my mocking of them for classifying tragedies as such. That you cannot tell the distinction between justified (possibly), and positive shows how little self awareness you have.
You explicitly have claimed that you do not consider any death to be a positive outcome, but you show off your lie when you then chastise me for disagreeing that this tragedy was a positive story. Make up your mind. Is a death a positive, or is it not? You are all over the place here. You claim one side, but then argue the other.
Yes, you are a tone troll. Your complaint is solely that I made fun of someone for posting a tragedy in a thread for positive stories.
So you consider it to be a positive story too, or are you just down here to tone troll as well? Show me one lie I’ve made.
So, here’s an actual Positive Gun News story. (Also stupid, but in a positive way)
https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=22331978&postcount=1745
“I see our local gun lovers laud people being being killed over noise complaints.“
I did in fact see that. Did you see the post I linked to?
Which part do you think I am lying about, that it was a story of a noise complaint that escalated into a homicide, or that it was posted in a thread entitled “Positive Gun News of the Day”?
