That’s funny, just as good as the drunk fail videos.
The K.A.D.D. campaign continues!
But you can’t beat skateboard fails.
We really need to outlaw those things!
Well, son of a gun! Turns out, not only are anecdotes just as good as data, they are actually better! And YouTube videos are the best of all!
Don’t suppose you have one of an adorable little kitty cat chasing off a home invader with a gun? Because that would be, like, totally the end of any possible debate!
Heck, why not remake the Dr Seuss books? The Cat With The Gat! Horton Shoots A Ho! Oh, The Places You’ll Go, The People You’ll Shoot!
Did someone mention ninjas?
You should spend more time over by Randi. A lot of people there use the Argumentum ad YouTube reasoning. And with his either unexplained YouTube links or explained links where he misses the point of the videos Kable will fit right in.
Outrage! According to all the gun lovers. Headline: First Man Arrested Under NY’s Unconstitutional SAFE Act
Unconstitutional! What a noble martyr, daring to stand up to tyranny in a brave act of civil disobedience!
Oh.
Enjoy your cell, buddy.
Roommate selection tends to be random, but there is a fair chance he may get a much deeper insight into issues of domestic violence.
From an outsiders perspective it can sometimes be hard to understand the degree of conflict and affect that can arise from something as trivial as “Who left the toilet seat bolted to the wall?”
If there were significant identity between the people who vote Democrat and the people who support an AWB then you would only be alienating people who don’t vote Democrat anyways but I don’t think this is the case. Voting Democrat was a close call in a lot of swing states (including Virginia) and if we knew that Obama was going to push an AWB in October of last year, I would bet that Obama wouldn’t have won Virginia. I would bet that Obama wouldn’t have won Virginia AND Florida and I would probably bet he wouldn’t have won Ohio either. I think Pennsylvania and New Hampshire would become a lot closer and might have swung away from Obama.
Gun control is not what Obama ran on, we got assurance after assurance that the NRA was totally wrong about Obama’s anti-gun agenda, it was pure fantasy. Its like Republicans running on fiscal discipline and spending all their time on abortion bills. If Obama ran on this, his margin would almost cer5tainly have been much slimmer.
And what sort of meaningful difference do you think an AWB would have?
I see now that there are a lot of polls that are 40/60 instead of 60/40 but it was not my intent to cherry[ick. I googled gun polls and gallup came up. They have had extensive polling on guns over many years and their polling datea looked pretty complete.
How so? Didn’t you say that YOU are familiar with guns? I think people who aren’t familiar with guns have a distorted view of the facts. Their fear has twisted the facts into something that barely resembles reality.
I don’t recall gun control being on the agenda the last election. In fact I recall the Democrats specifically and vocally denying that gun control was in the cards. I don’t know that Democrats could have won if they had a gun control platform like the one Obama is proposing these days.
I don’t know why you think that the last election proved anything about how gun control affects election.
No I said that I oppose magazine caps on principle even though I think they “might” be effective IF they were coupled with a confiscation of currently existing large capacity magazines. This is because a ban on large capacity magazines without confiscation only succeeds in making large capacity magazines cost $100 instead of $15. People have stocked up literally hundreds of large capacity magazines (when they are only ever going to use 10 at most). There will be plenty of secondary market magazines to go around.
I don’t know what you are getting at, but my reference to code pink had nothing to do with manliness or virility and more to do with the extremes of liberal activism.
I don’t think you get it. I don’t support the second amendment rights because I am a member of the NRA. I am a member of the NRA because I support second amendment rights. My positions on gun control are pretty clearly not in line with the NRA but I support all the rights in the bill of rights.
Noone is asking you to sit in a corner. I am asking why you would pursue an AWB when it would have almost no effect on gun violence rather than licensing and registration and while the two are not mutually exclusive, I don’t see any progress being made on the more meaningful measure and a lot of wheel spinning and grandstanding on the AWB.
I don’t think so. I think you have lost steam on other issues by focusing on the AWB. It has hurt the credibility of the gun control side of the debate.
Are you talking about that special election for Jesse Jackson Jr’s old seat in Illinois? That is a particularly meaningless example. If it had been in a red state or in a swing state, then maybe, but an example from Illinois doesn’t mean very much does it?
Its not the NRA that has political might, it is gun owners. According to Open Secrets (http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000082), the NRA ranks 230th in contributions, 170th in lobbying and 13th in outside spending. Total spending of under $30MM. There are INDIVUDALS that spent more than that during the last election.
I think there is a big difference between selling something in contravention of the SAFE ACT and selling something to a convicted felon. The SAFE ACT is still a stupid law that will torpedo any national aspiration that Cuomo might have. This guy sold something that has been illegal to sell in NY state well before the SAFE act in the first transaction and with the belief that the purchaser was a convicted felon in the second. I suspect he will get convicted of the other violations and the SAFE ACT violations will either be ignored, dropped or overturned.
Ah yes, “everyone’s in favor of prohibiting Demon Rum, except for the shills for the distilleries”. :rolleyes:
<sigh> Go ahead- ban guns. Then watch a civil disobedience movement bigger than the 1960s show just how popular gun control really is.
Wouldn’t it be funny if all the anti-gun people managed to get gun registration, mandatory background checks, and a ban on private sale of firearms into law and then… didn’t ban any guns? That would be awesome. All the gun-rights people would be all “Well… okay… but COLD DEAD FINGERS! Don’t you forget it!”
Yes yes, I was already well aware that most of this gun aficionado’s charges predate the SAFE act. Are you aware that the only reason I found the story is because several right-wing members if other forums I frequent posted it up as an example of a great travesty of justice? Do you think it does your side any favors when people caught violating the SAFE act provisions are also the sort of vile idiots who would sell a gun to someone with a felony domestic violence conviction? Do you think that, once the extent of this moron’s charges were made clear that those same right wing posters reversed their stance? Or did they continue to think that this was a travesty of justice?
I won’t spoil any of the answers for you. Take some guesses.
If only. But after registration, background checks and no private sales fails to decrease gun crime, then obviously we’ll have to “do something”. My guess would be first, the magical Interstate Commerce Clause will be held to give the federal government total control on the manufacture, sale and possession of all firearms in the United States. Second, they’ll pass a law saying you have to have a license to possess firearms. Maybe they’ll add in mandatory liability insurance to own a gun, which will amount to an ongoing yearly tax on the privilege of possessing a gun. Probably a few useless feelgood gestures like trigger locks on all guns. Expand the list of reasons for denying someone a license to include almost any stain on one’s record worse than a traffic citation. Then they’ll start finding excuses to ban classes of firearms: “sniper” rifles, large caliber “cop killer” handguns and small caliber “assassin” handguns. Exactly what guns will fall into those categories will be largely arbitrary, but it will “get murder weapons off the streets”.
If it’s gone this far, then at this point it will pretty much a repeat of the gun banning process in Britain and Australia. Eventually you’ll end up with about the same number of people legally owning guns as currently have a license to handle explosives. Of course somehow organized crime and gangs will still have access to guns just like in Mexico, and we’ll have a never-ending “War on Guns”. And if 3D printing continues to improve, then we may reach the point where anyone with $10,000 dollars can buy a machine that will allow them to make an illegal gun a day; at which point it will be no more possible to actually eliminate guns than Prohibition could eliminate alcohol.
Might still have my old tear gas mask up in the attic, underneath the tie-dye shirts with the peace sign motif. Welcome to it, I suppose, but fair warning, it ain’t that much fun. Sooner or later the speeches start, and they go on for hours. It grinds the spirit, for every ten seconds of MLK you get at least an hour of your local Maya Angelou wannabe. Enough to make Eleanor Roosevelt go full stabby. I’m resolved to try to stay sane and sober, and I don’t like feeling I have to choose.
Remember, the Man can’t bust your music. Wait, do you guys have music?
They have Ted Nugent. And our pity.
I’m not going to defend all the gun nuts on the gun rights side of the debate. Too many of them have paranoid delusions but the SAFE ACT is still a stupid law.
Licensing and registration will almost undoubtedly decrease gun violence. The real fear is that even after gun violence goes down, some crazy fuck will shoot up a school again and despite significantly reduced gun violence, the gun control advocates will try to ban guns again anyways.
If licensing and registration aren’t enough then we need a constitutional amendment to achieve the sort of goals that gun control advocates want to reach.
All of these are unconstitutional
DC has tried to limit the types of guns available for home protection after Heller (they tried to limit it to shotguns and revolvers) and they couldn’t manage it so they banned assault weapons, high capacity mags and 50 BMGs.
I’ve seen the most recent ar-15s made from 3D printing and frankly they have to do something about it because you can make a selective fire lower receiver with those things and with the new materials and inserts, they can shoot hundreds of rounds without failure. This is part of the reason why I think that gun bans are ultimately doomed to fail and we should open up the NFA registry to new firearms and military surplus.
Not until everyone who wants a gun also has a 3D printer.
A good 3d printer can print dozens of receivers every day. We should probably ban computers and the internet. Maybe we should ban plastic resin. Maybe that would be a good start.
I don’t think this would actually be used to distribute printed receivers or magazines but only because there are already so many of them out there that it is probably cheaper just to buy one of the ones that are already out there and frankly I have enough friends and there are enough gun ranges who have machine guns that if I ever feel like blowing a couple of hundreds dollars of ammunition in under a minute, I don’t have a problem with access.