Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 2)

[k9bfriender]

Does Amazon deliver to prisons?

[Mundane_Super_Hero]

Were you going to send him a gift?

[CookingWithGas]

@Kimstu

IANAL, but I think any type of murder charge presumes what’s called “specific intent to kill”. Plenty of (stupid and criminal) people deliberately shoot at other people to frighten and/or injure them, without intending to actually bring about their victim’s death.

My guess would be that the prosecutor in this case didn’t want to risk not being able to make the murderous-intent part of the charge stick, so they went with the lesser (but also quite serious, AFAICT) charge of felonious assault.

IMHO shooting at someone and hitting them is sufficient to presume intent to kill, but what do I know. You are probably correct that that charge was what they thought was the one most likely to result in a conviction.

[ParallelLines]

@CookingWithGas

IMHO shooting at someone and hitting them is sufficient to presume intent to kill, but what do I know. You are probably correct that that charge was what they thought was the one most likely to result in a conviction.

And, just as likely as we see in a number of breaking news shootings, they charge first with a slam-dunk charge, and once they’ve gathered more evidence, consider additional charges.

[Projammer]

@Kimstu

My guess would be that the prosecutor in this case didn’t want to risk not being able to make the murderous-intent part of the charge stick, so they went with the lesser (but also quite serious, AFAICT) charge of felonious assault.

I would have thought the prosecutor would go with attempted murder with a lesser included charge of felonious assault. Also, the DA has the opportunity to amend/upgrade the charges until the trial starts, I think.

[Alessan]

@Kimstu

IANAL, but I think any type of murder charge presumes what’s called “specific intent to kill”. Plenty of (stupid and criminal) people deliberately shoot at other people to frighten and/or injure them, without intending to actually bring about their victim’s death.

So, felonious assault is to attempted murder, as manslaughter is to murder? Is “attempted manslaughter” a thing?

[eschereal]

Police say Idaho dad killed neighbors over alleged indecent exposure by...

The man shot Grand-dad, mom and two sons because one of the sons had stood in the window and exposed himself to the girls playing outside.

On the one hand, if the girls are deprived of their father (by him ending up in prison), that could be a bad thing. On the other hand, if these girls are deprived of their father, I find it difficult to see a downside.

[bobot]

Have you heard about the 2 year old who shot his mother to death?
“This happened last week, and investigators are now piecing together how the toddler got his hands on the family’s gun and fired it.”

I’m going to wager that this family left a loaded gun where a fucking 2 year old could get his hands on it. Sound fair??

2-year-old accidentally shot, killed pregnant mom with family gun: Police

[running_coach]

@bobot

Have you heard about the 2 year old who shot his mother to death?
“This happened last week, and investigators are now piecing together how the toddler got his hands on the family’s gun and fired it.”

I’m going to wager that this family left a loaded gun where a fucking 2 year old could get his hands on it. Sound fair?? -

Ohio shooting: Pregnant woman shot, killed after toddler accidentally shoots gun - ABC7 Los Angeles

Sibling rivalry is getting out of hand.

[eschereal]

“… accidetally …” ?

no

[Fear_Itself]

…“family gun???”…

[Folacin]

@bobot

are now piecing together how the toddler got his hands on the family’s gun and fired it.

They shouldn’t of used his birthday as the code for the gun safe.

[k9bfriender]

For the child that has to live with this the rest of their lives, yes, it was an accident.

For the adults who created the situation, no, it was not.

[JRDelirious]

@Fear_Itself

family gun?

Hey, some households have to be frugal, can’t give a gun to every person in the house.

[Wallaby]

Kids these days - they grow up so fast.

In my day, we didn’t shoot anyone until we started school.

[Kimstu]

@Alessan

So, felonious assault is to attempted murder, as manslaughter is to murder? Is “attempted manslaughter” a thing?

Yes, attempted manslaughter is a thing, but we will need a real lawyer to figure out the relationships between the various types of charge.

My legally-unqualified self suspects that they can’t be adequately described by that sort of simple linear proportion, though. Anything a layperson can easily comprehend is pretty much guaranteed to be not accurate law, right?

[needscoffee]

@eschereal

The man shot Grand-dad, mom and two sons because one of the sons had stood in the window and exposed himself to the girls playing outside.

Actually the son jacked off in front of the girls, but yeah. Unbelievable. I imagine alcohol was involved, but who knows.

[eschereal]

@Folacin

… shouldn’t of …

Argh. Not on the Dope, man. There are people here who have guns.

[wguy123]

@needscoffee

Actually the son jacked off in front of the girls, but yeah. Unbelievable. I imagine alcohol was involved, but who knows.

The latest article in the local paper makes it sound purely like vengeance…no alcohol involved. Vigilante justice is still alive in the wild west. I wouldn’t be surprised to see an armed posse ride through my neighborhood soon.

FYI, don’t go to electronic music festivals (raves) in countries where guns are easily available.

Alleged Gorge shooter hallucinated on mushrooms leading up to shooting, court...

[Dewey_Finn]

A woman who was visiting her boyfriend in El Paso was a passenger in an Uber that was taking her to a casino near the Mexican border. As they drove south, she panicked, thinking that he was going to take her into Mexico, so she shot him in the head. Later he was removed from life support and she is charged with murder. (One article about this is here.)