But are they really all that likely to be stone cold sober when they’re swiping right?
I’ll try to break this one down:
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The way I was raised, a passed out woman is an opportunity for a man to help, assist and protect. Growing up, I always wanted to be a hero. I can’t understand how someone could see such a thing and think of it as an opportunity to satisfy lust. Maybe there’s too much porn and selfishness in the world, but it seems to me the cool thing about sex is having an enthusiastic partner. Shame on this guy for not understanding this.
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Thank God for the two blonde swedes that came by, to show what manhood really means.
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I don’t blame the father, at all. Of course he is going to do everything within his power to help his son, and cast things in the least damaging light. The father raped nobody. As far as I can tell, the kid was never in serious trouble before. Got into Stanford which is no small feat, was an Olympic hopeful swimmer. Raising such a child doesn’t seem to indicate that one was a bad parent. I have no idea what kind of a parent he was. The father likely sees the good kid he raised from a baby, helped with homework, coached swimming, and that he has loved his whole life.
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people can lead exemplary or ordinary lives and then commit horrible unthinkable acts of evil. More than one thing can be true at the same time. He could have been a spoiled evil selfish brat from birth who acted in character when he raped this woman, or he could have been a good normal kid his whole life up until the moment he raped the girl. Neither would surprise me. It doesn’t really matter. He did what he did and he should suffer the consequences.
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Can I point out that getting irresponsibly drunk and passing out behind a dumpster is bad behavior for anybody, and particularly stupid for a young woman, without being accused of supporting rape culture or being accused of suggesting she brought this upon herself?
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If he got 4 years of jail, out in 2 I would have thought that he got the lightest possible sentence that could reasonably been given.
Even she admits that her behavior was irresponsible, so I’d say yes to #5. She seems to be doing a better job taking responsibility for her part in this than he is.
I blame the father and the friend - not for supporting him, but for writing such stupid crap. Here is a hint, if you ever write a character letter for a convicted felon (which is what these were), have someone in a victim advocate role read it over. Make sure you don’t use words like “20 minutes of action” that could be misconstrued or “rape isn’t always caused by rapists.” You end up looking like an idiot - and the letters are public.
It would appear though that empirically speaking, the letters worked. Or didn’t hurt, anyway. The odds were against their going viral, and in any case he would probably take the trade of public embarrassment instead of years of prison for his son.
I think there’s a disconnect between how people perceive the severity of the punishment. Some say that the punishment is a slap on the wrist and won’t have that severe an impact on his life. Others see it as something that will drastically and negatively affect him for the rest of his life.
I agree with what you’ve said. I’ve read her letter, and she does take responsibility. Sorry if I implied otherwise. One thing I found interesting was how she seemed to be as angry over his and his families actions after the rape as she is about the rape itself. I felt that it was strongly implied on her part that had he been immediately remorseful and cooperative than they could have gotten past the incident and “gotten on with their lives.”
Oh, I think it’s both. His life is definitely ruined. He’s famous now, and will have to register as a sexual offender the rest of his life. This will follow him forever… As it should.
He also should go to jail for longer.
My two cents.
Frankly, I think he’d have been better off with a three year sentence that the internet wouldn’t have gone nuts about than with this going viral. He’s never going to escape a search engine. The judge did him NO favors.
Its hard to walk away from any felony sexual assault conviction. But slipping under the radar is easier if you didn’t cross everyone’s news feed for a week straight.
No. Stop. This is wrong and morally indefensible. I don’t care how much you love someone, if they have clearly done wrong, there are ways to help them without crossing into unethical (or criminal) actions oneself and IMO this father crossed that line. His son was guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, was found guilty, and yet the father continued to deny his son’s responsibility and to acknowledge the gravity of the offense.
You can point that out but I doubt you could you demonstrate any relevance to the events under discussion so no, I’m not sure you won’t be accused of supporting rape culture or won’t be accused of suggesting she brought this upon herself. I am sure I wouldn’t even try and defend you from such accusations, should someone choose to make them.
That is more elegant. Probably because it comes from France.
FWIW. one of them wasn’t blond. Pics It’s this kind of assumption about the Swedish people, this anti-Sweditism…nah-I got nothing.
I don’t know if you are being serious but they haven’t gotten the internet to the point where you can rape someone through it yet. You still have to meet in person.
Well, they did drag her through court for over a year. They tried to move as much of the culpability from the rapist to the rape victim.
There is nothing criminal about that so you must think it is unethical and immoral for a parent to defend his son’s actions by trying to paint them as a moment of indiscretion. What exactly is unethical about a parent doing this? I mean his lawyer did much worse, was he unethical or is the lawyer’s duty to Brock greater than the father’s?
Brock had already gotten convicted and the father was trying to convince the judge to impose the lightest sentence possible. Is the father supposed to tell the judge to just throw his son under the prison because his son is such a horrible person?
What did the father do that was criminal? The major sin of the letter the father wrote is that it is actually poorly crafted, and, as Dangerosa points out, it probably would have been a good idea for someone to review it more carefully than it was. I don’t see what law was broken or ethical line was crossed. He made bad arguments insensitively. He did so in writing.
But I was counting on you!
I don’t know why he even mentions blonde except perhaps to point out that not all white men are rapists.
There was a meme floating around at the start of the black lives matter movement among some Asians. The premise was that every criticism that whites throw at blacks, black culture, black communities, etc. could just as easily be thrown by Asians at white communities.
I mean seriously, whats up with all the white on white crime.
What up with all the single white mothers? Where are the fathers in the white community?
Whites are just more prone to violence and crime. The statistics tell the whole story.
Why are so many whites on welfare? Why don’t they just go out and get work?
Whites are poor because they are lazy.
If they wanted a better life, they should have thought of that before they spent their high school years date raping their classmates instead of studying for the SATs.
The hashtag went on for thousands of posts a few hundred of which were clever or unique.
He committed no crime.
He is a dick, though. He should not face criminal charges. He should pelted with tomatoes and garbage as he walks through the streets.
Or he could announce his repentance to the High Sparrow, study scripture and pretend to use his power over the king to forge an alliance between the royalty and the faith militant, while secretly planning to free his brother.
I mean, if you want to go all GOT with it.
Why can’t it be both?
A criminal record will limit his future opportunities, including employment, even with the insulation provided by family wealth. Adding his name to the sex offender’s registry will limit his opportunities further and can, as I understand it, limit where he may live. Not sure what probation will entail in this instance but possibly entails restrictions on movement including curfews, random visits by probation officers, prohibitions on the consumption of alcohol or drugs, amongst others. These are serious consequences and with the exception of probation, likely lifelong.
On the other hand he committed a serious sexual offence, one that demands a substantive custodial sentence. An effective three months for his actions is absurd -and I say that as someone who generally regards American prison sentences to be way too punitive and lengthy.
I think you can argue that his crime isn’t being taken seriously enough, but I don’t think you can say it isn’t being taken serious.