Submarine VIP Cabin & Civilian Senority

Tangent question, in the USN is there a division between the fast attack and the boomer crowd? One of Clancy’s novels seemed to indicate that it was rare (at least in the 1980’s) for officers to shift from one to the other and even rarer for the enlosted.

I have a submarine VIP story – I was a junior officer on a 688-class in the mid 2000s, and we had a bunch of VIPs (including Douglas Feith) onboard for some hush-hush stuff. One of the VIPs was a really old guy – maybe late 70s or older. For some reason, the COB assigned him literally the hardest bunk to climb into. Called by us “The Iron Cross”, it was a top bunk (head height) and offset such that only about a third of the bunk was accessible, with the rest behind other bunks. It required essentially a half pull up and tricep dip on some piping and such to get into.

The poor old man needed the help of all the other VIPs to get in, and I don’t know how the hell he got out in the morning.

I knew officers who went back and forth between fast attack subs and boomers.

On a fast attack sub, though, we usually made good-natured fun of the boomer sailors, with cracks like, “How exciting…three knots to nowhere,” or “…drilling holes in the ocean.”

About the only thing they could say back to us was that their food was better (which was true).

Did you ever serve on a Boomer? Sorry for being nosy. :slight_smile:

Sort of. I went out on a full missile patrol (technically a “strategic deterrent patrol”) on a boomer as a midshipman. After I was commissioned and went through Nuclear Power School and Submarine School, I requested (and got) an assignment to a fast attack sub.

Aside from the fact that the admiral probably wouldn’t concern himself with such trivialities in the first place. Much more likely, the admiral would order the fleet to head to a particular destination, and the captains of all of the individual ships would then set courses and give the appropriate orders. And aside from physical proximity, there’s no difference in the relationship between the relationship of the flag captain to the admiral, and the relationship of any other captain in the fleet to the admiral.

A captain is concerned with one ship, and gives orders accordingly. An admiral is concerned with an entire fleet, and gives orders accordingly.

I’ve also seen a few submariners who have had some type of fast attack and boomer experience, though I’m not clear of the details of their assignments. The one that comes to mind immediately is Admiral Cecil Haney, the outgoing commander of Strategic Command. He was a fast attack guy and somehow was assigned to an SSBN once.

https://www.stratcom.mil/biographies/1/Admiral_Cecil_D_Haney/

Never saw that happen on any of my boats (three boats, a total of seven XOs). If we didn’t have a senior rider on board, the XO always used that top rack as an extra desk/filing cabinet.

Most sleep I ever got under way was a trip from Guam to Pearl. We were supposed to be home in Pearl a week or so before Xmas, but there was a valve back aft that just did not want to cooperate and we ended up leaving Guam on 24 Dec. A lot of guys had put in for Xmas leave, of course, so the captain told the department heads to let them go if they could be spared. So… Two RM3s driving, two junior RM2s on leave, RM1 standing COW, and RMCS on the dive – which left me as the only RMOW. We were making best possible speed, of course, meaning no drills and only going to PD once every twelve hours. So my routine was:

Complete the PD evolution.
Fast-route the boards to CO, XO, Nav, Commo, and RMCS.
Drop the boards on the wardroom table for everyone else to read.
Go back to Radio and catch up on my logs (ending with “Secured the RMOW”).
Go out to Control, tell the COW I was going to bed, and ask him to have me awakened an hour before the next PD. :smiley:

117 on a 688, plus however many temporary bunks were set up in the Room.

I’d tap lightly on the stateroom door, just in case someone was actually awake in there, then walk in, stand/crouch next to the appropriate rack, and call his name softly until he woke up. The idea, of course, was to keep from waking up anybody else who might be asleep.

Aft berthing, all the way aft, outboard? Or the outboard rack in nine-man?

One of the JOs on my last boat went on to do his DH and XO tours on other 688s, and then become CO of a boomer.
Apologies to all the non-bubbleheads trying to make sense out of the above gibberish… :smiley:

I slept over the top of a torpedo, but it was on a diesel boat, because sonar was in the torpedo room on my boat which kept me close to my job STS 2 (SS) USS Salmon SS-573 63-65.

The CO on my boomer also had the only movable chair in his stateroom, but I think I saw another one back in nav one time and it was a high chair. The navigator was swinging his foot when it hit a very important item that told the SINS what time it was, but it became unplugged ( I think it was digital).

We were flying blind till we could radio someone for the exact time to reset SINS.

I was enlisted of course, but I enjoyed all nine years and 8 patrols …

Wow! So this is where all the old sub sailors hang … officer’s cuss?

I only saw VIP’s for day cruise out of Rota … no way they could handle 90 days.

I toured the former USS Razorback.
I’m 5’ and don’t see why folks have a problem with the size of a WWII submarine, but I digress.

I don’t see that sleeping over a nuclear torpedo would be more unnerving that a normal torpedo, but the Razorback had one.
I believe that the plan was to shadow an enemy fleet, and if the balloon went up, fire the nuke out a stern tube and run like hell.