Superman Returns

Okay, now that Skald has effectively despoiled the thread…

Story improvement ideas:

More flashbacks. We see a young Clark bouncing around learning to fly for the first time, but the only significance the scene has is suggesting that when younger he needed glasses but reached a point when he didn’t. Aside from being kind of a rip-off of Spider-Man, this scene also suggest a parallel when the kid seems to stop needing his asthma inhaler. What the film needed was more than just that one flashback, to flesh out some of the story and help explain why Supes did split for a number of years.

New scene: Superman tries to save the plane but breaks off the wing instead. As he zooms after it, we zoom in on his worried face and then flashback to another scene of a young Clark. He’s in a barn with a younger Martha and a pre-dead Jonathan Kent. Something heavy is about to fall and squish Jon but Clark zooms in and yanks Jon to safety, smashing the falling threat (possibly a piece of farm equipment). He’d saved his father life, but injured Jon’s arm and destroyed the equipment when with a bit more control and less reflex, he could have avoid the injury and the damage. Jon gives Clark a brief fatherly talking-to about how his power is growing faster than his control and he has to be careful. “But don’t worry, Son. You’ll get there. All you need is time.” Cut back to the present and Superman’s face is now grim and determined. He zooms after the plane and saves it using delicate balancing and control.

Later on there’s another flashback, to an adult Clark in Smallville with Martha. He looks sad and beaten and there’s a Daily Planet headline reading “SUPERMAN DEFEATS INVADERS” and showing pictures of Terence Stamp, Sarah Douglas and Jack O’Halloran (the villains from Superman II).
Clark: They were from Krypton, too. It can’t be just me and them, we can’t have been the only survivors.
Martha: But there’s no way of knowing, Clark. You don’t even know where Krypton was.
Clark: [determined] Maybe I can find out.

Cut to slightly later flashback, news report of astronomers working with Superman’s help locating the remains of Krypton. Superman does say goodbye to Martha and Lois, saying this is something he has to do. The crystalline technology he’s used to build his ship will get his there in less than three years, in suspended animation. He has to find some artifact, he can’t possibly be the last son of Krypton.

During the scene where Supes lands on Luthor’s island and loses his powers, he gets beaten up. He tries to punch one of the goons but it’s barely a tap, since he’s used to tightly controlling his strength. Jonathan Kent’s lecture about control echoes in his ears. Suddenly, he punches one of the goons, very hard, with all his mortal strength. He begins beating all three severely, putting all his energy into it. For the first time, he doesn’t have to hold back. Luthor is a bit taken aback by this, but after Superman clobbers the third goon (and seeming to enjoy the experience of cutting loose), Luthor levels a gun on him and gives a brief speech along the lines of “You think it’s fun to be human? To feel pain and weakness and death.” The island shifts a bit, undergoing another growth spurt. Luthor smiles. “My baby’s growing up, and soon I’ll have power that men dream of. All I need is time.” Superman looks at him, looks at the island, then turns, runs and dives into the ocean. Luthor is somewhat surprised and vaguely troubled by this.

Lois and Richard, meanwhile, are flying their plane back to the island because Lois knows Supes is in big trouble. They find him, swimming and tired, nearly drowned, trying to get as far from the island as possible, hoping his powers will return before he collapses of exhaustion. They pick him up and he weakly tells them to fly him to STAR labs or some other high-tech facility. Shortly, Superman (his power returning but not yet at maximum) is picking out the facility’s best radiation suit. “What are you going to do?” ask Lois. “I have to get that thing off of Earth. It’s what [dramatic music] destroyed Krypton,” replies Supes. “Wait, Superman” says an earnest lab tech, “The suit is designed for radiation protection. It’s not a spacesuit. It’ll never stand up to the stresses.”

Supes, suited, tries anyway. He lifts the island of Earth but his radiation suit starts to shred. Supes clearly gets weaker and weaker and just barely pushes the island away before falling back to Earth, the radiation suit burning off of him. He plunges to Earth.

Later, he has the same scene in the kid’s room, except in addition to the “father/son” stuff, he also says to the sleeping kid that he’ll have the kind of power men dream of. All he needs is time.

How’s that?

Did anybody notice the picture of Glenn Ford on the mantle in the Kent household?

Sorry, had to get away from the “too deep thoughts for my head at 11:15 p.m.”

Sir Rhosis

I seem to recall that there is a “Superman is a Dick” website somewhere.

Argh. Alien-human hybrids. Its like still speculating that there are Martians.

I referred to it upthread. I urge everybody to neither link to it nor check it out directly, as last I heard it was still the repository of much spyware & many viruses.

(Hmm…web site denigrating Superman with hidden-but-evil features–must be a LuthorCorp production.)

My GF and I saw the late showing of this last night. I thought it was decent, almost good. My GF fell asleep.

I noticed the Christ allegory too. I don’t know if it added or took away for me. It was kind of just there. I do have two gripes about the movie though:

First,

[spoiler]how about laying off the space shuttle? Yes, I know this was supposed to be a new and improved version of the shuttle. I don’t care. The shuttle program has enough problems and tragedy associated with it without adding fiction. It also seems tacky considering the timing. I’m sure it’s coincidental, but there is a return to flight launch scheduled for this weekend.

This led to the sequence where I had the toughest time suspending my disbelief. I can handle a flying man from Krypton. Don’t expect me to believe that a 747 airframe would handle that kind of stress. Don’t expect me to believe that NASA is dumb enough to put reporters on that plane.

Here’s an idea. Scrap the shuttle sequence. In its place have Lois on board for the maiden commercial flight of some new huge jet liner (A380?). The black out hits and chaos reigns.[/spoiler]

Second, the end just dragged on and on. I get it. I was beginning to think that my GF had the right idea (napping).

BTW, I am shocked at Lois’ ability to take punishment. The way she was tossed around that airplane and come out of it still looking so cool and composed with nary a scratch on her. That’s an impressive superpower.

I have a question.

If

Lois’ son is Superman’s kid

and

The only time they slept together was in Superman II, and he erased her memory of the event

then

how could she know that Superman was the father? And if she only suspected, wouldn’t she wonder how it happened? ?

I was wondering that, too, especially since

She also learned (and forgot) in that movie that Superman = Clark Kent

^^^I know these are “sequels” to Supes I & II, but are they direct absolute linear sequels or more sequels in spirit. If the first case, then we must ignore that everybody has not aged since 1981, in fact they all look different except Jor-El, and their surroundings have changed a whole hell of a lot in “five years,” though this film is definitely (newspaper date) set in September 2006, and I’m sure somewhere in II is an early-80s date to tie it down…

I sort of look at them as sequels in spirit, Brando’s appearance aside. Who is not to say that Supes and Lois had an affair post II, before he split?

Sir Rhosis

Ah fuck, should have used spoilers, though I don’t give anything away directly. If anybody thinks I gave to much info, yell at a mod to spoilerize my post.

Sir Rhosis

Good point. I can imagine their first post-S2 snuggle:

Superman: C’mere, you lost little kitten.
Lois: Oooh, I love being called that. I… wait, I never told you about that!
Superman: Sure, you did, that night we spent in the… ummmm… I knew that because it’s just another one of my powers. Yeah, powers.

I really liked it. I was afraid it was going to be as campy as the first one but thank God that wasn’t the case.

The only complaint from me is that the actors seemed kind of young. Both Superman and Lois seem to be 25 or less.

[QUOTE=Sir RhosisI sort of look at them as sequels in spirit, Brando’s appearance aside. Who is not to say that Supes and Lois had an affair post II, before he split?

Sir Rhosis[/QUOTE]

But he can’t without going into the Fortress of Solitude’s Chamber O’ Power Loss.

Okay, with all of the Christ analogies, I find it odd that Superman would have sex with a woman he wasn’t married to. The only way I was able to accept this notion was that one of the rules of giving up his powers in Superman II was that he become completely human and must live as a human, thus no longer being a moral beacon. Which also comes into play when his powers are returned and it is established that he belongs to the world, and not to one woman.

That kid looked older than five. And Lois Lane sure moved on from her broken heart pretty swiftly if she doesn’t even know that the next guy isn’t the father. What ever happened to “Don’t tell me I’ll find someone. You’re kind of a tough act to follow”? I think the movie would have been better if they had omitted the child from the script. Same goes for Parker Posey’s character. Simply unnecessary. I would have rather seen Otis.

I was craving more of the original film score. I would have preferred a modern sound track, but with plenty of musical homages to the original score. There was some of that, but not nearly enough. But I should relax, the fact that the used the original theme music at all is 50% of what made the movie, IMHO.

And I just want to add that Bryan Ekers should become a Hollywood script editor. All of those suggestions would have improved the story and made the audience even more attached to it.

I found it odd that Clark Kent was drinking beer! And with Jimmy Olsen!

Really troweled on the Jesus, didn’t they?

Not just tributing; if you think about it, this is, structurally speaking, almost a straight remake of the first movie. Origin stuff; Luthor plot about real estate; brush with kryptonite death; betrayal of Luthor by Supes-drooling moll; and on and on.

I would have appreciated some more levity to cut through the angst and gloom; one excellent opportunity would have been to put Batman sheets on the kid’s bed at the end. :slight_smile:

What, the Aquaman PJ’s weren’t funny enough? I was thinking he shoudl show up and get really pissed about all the water-shenanigans they were pulling. Dropping a ship onto his summer home :mad: .

I’m pretty sure Superman and Superman II were meant to be set in the years in which they were released, 1978 and 1981 respectively. If the new movie takes place five years after Superman II, and it’s now 2006, then one could interpret that as a retcon that sets the events of those two movies twenty years later, in 1998 and 2001. (Perhaps the reason there’s no “World Trade Center” in Metropolis anymore is that General Zod destroyed it during his rampage?)

I thought the film was visually beautiful; as a kid I used to dream about being able to fly straight up through the atmosphere and just hover in space like Superman. Since I’m not an uber-geek, the minor costume changes didn’t bother me; that costume has changed numerous times in the comics over the years. The acting was fine, and I especially liked Kevin Spacey.

But really – how can a movie take years to get to the screen, have a gigantic budget, and yet still have such a weak script? Couldn’t Clark Kent/Superman have had a little more dialogue? The tv show “Smallville” has actually done a lot more to deepen the mythos and get to the heart of the character.

Not insignificantly, I’m sure, that is 5 years after 9/11.