Supreme Court says Constitution protects right to carry a gun outside the home

[Lumpy]

@k9bfriender

Because guns on the subway will make everyone safer.

You’re worried about a mass panic shootout? Has that in fact ever happened anywhere carry is legal?

I’m less worried about that hypothetical than criminals- you know, those people who don’t give a damn if carry is against the law- getting to be the fox in the hen house.

[Bullitt]

I certainly won’t feel safer on the NYC subways if people can carry there.

[Lumpy]

@Bullitt

I certainly won’t feel safer on the NYC subways if people can carry there.

Would speak to this but we’re getting too far away from the specific subject of the Supreme Court’s Bruen ruling.

[pkbites]

@DrDeth

Council Speaker Adrienne Adams said she plans to pass a non-binding resolution that would call on Albany to ban guns from all government buildings, schools, hospitals, places of worship, parks, daycares and cemeteries and other facilities — and establish a 1,000 foot buffer around those places where guns would also be banned.

Places of worship and some schools, hospitals, daycares, and cemeteries are private entities.

Under what authority does the state have to tell a private entity they cannot allow guns in their own building and property? Shouldn’t the decision to allow or not allow firearms on premises be the sole decision of the private entity? My sister-in-law has a licensed daycare in her home. Under the proposed law she wouldn’t be allowed to have a gun in her own house, even if it were secured in a safe.

This is the kind of stuff that is going to get this issue continually kicked back to the court.

[RickJay]

@pkbites

It’s absurd to think that the people gave all these rights but only pertaining to actions of the federal government and not any other form of government.

But that is unquestionably what the original idea was. Remember, the U.S. Constitution was largely an agreement between states, specifically meant to decide what powers they were willing to give to a national government. The idea of limiting the states’ powers was largely NOT their concern; it was ensuring the country could function. That’s why the feds got the powers they did - stuff like foreign affairs, currency, and a navy are things the states genuinely felt was best left to a federal power, but they didn’t want it to be much.

There’s a reason the 14th Amendment came much later and AFTER the Civil War.

[Bullitt]

@Lumpy

@Bullitt

I certainly won’t feel safer on the NYC subways if people can carry there.

Would speak to this but we’re getting too far away from the specific subject of the Supreme Court’s Bruen ruling.

Good point. New IMHO thread here:

If people were armed (concealed firearms) on a NYC subway, I would not feel safe would you?

From this post https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/143?u=bullitt Only if those people had the most excellent training might I feel safer. Might.

[Lumpy]

@RickJay

@pkbites

It’s absurd to think that the people gave all these rights but only pertaining to actions of the federal government and not any other form of government.

But that is unquestionably what the original idea was. Remember, the U.S. Constitution was largely an agreement between states, specifically meant to decide what powers they were willing to give to a national government. The idea of limiting the states’ powers was largely NOT their concern; it was ensuring the country could function. That’s why the feds got the powers they did - stuff like foreign affairs, currency, and a navy are things the states genuinely felt was best left to a federal power, but they didn’t want it to be much.
There’s a reason the 14th Amendment came much later and AFTER the Civil War.

Indeed, the federal constitution is markedly non-democratic. On the basis of tax rebellions and semi-anarchism on the frontier that the tidewater state governments had difficulty controlling, the Federalists advocated a government insulated from the hue and cry of the masses. The President is chosen by an electoral college, the Senate originally consisted of ambassadors from the state governments, Supreme Court appointees were nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate. Only the House of Representatives was popularly chosen, and that only so the interests of populous states could get a hearing against the non-populous states.

The federal constitution more or less simply presumed that democracy flows from the states because that was the level that suffrage took place at (except for a vague and debatable passage about guaranteeing a republican form of government to the states). Virtually the entire constitution was debated and ratified on the presumption that it was the Fed that was a threat to liberty. The Founders would have been astonished at the idea of the federal government protecting peoples’ rights against encroachment by the state governments.