Pay locked.
Sorry about that. I cannot remove the paywall for people here so here is a snippet from that article:
Verdi and Rey voted for Donald Trump in the 2024 election, saying they supported his pledge to bring order to the southern border and crack down on immigrants without legal status.
“But he didn’t say he was going to do this, that he was going to go after people who have been here for a long time,” Rey said. “He said he was going to go after all the criminals who came illegally.
Gentile, 31, was a toddler when the family moved from Argentina to the U.S. in the mid-90s. He is a green card holder, and the father of two U.S. citizen children, ages 6 and 8.
“We feel betrayed, tricked.” - SOURCE
Yes, he did. but you only heard what you wanted to hear.
People who have been here for a long time illegally are, by definition, the criminals Trump was talking about.
Another article(Trump-Voting Parents 'Feel Betrayed' After ICE Agents Detain Their Son - Newsweek)
Green card or not, if you got three years probation for a conviction, you are a criminal by definition.No clue why anyone would think he wouldn’t revoke their green cards and deport them.
That’s the same story I posted above but has the virtue of no paywall. Thanks!
He must have been either very stupid or had a shitty lawyer (or both). A half-decent defense attorney would have worked out a plea bargain that didn’t have immigration consequences. Not all criminal convictions make someone deportable. Given that his was a misdemeanor that resulted in probation, it should have been possible to sidestep any immigration consequences. I suspect, in addition to the probation, he got a 1-year suspended sentence which, if true, means he might just be fucked.
So that means either (a) his attorney worked out a bad plea deal for him or (b) he refused to accept a plea deal and rolled the dice at trial (perhaps aided by a lack of advice from his attorney on the immigration consequences).
Huh, that’s interesting.
Deporting Green card holders who commit crimes isn’t new. Twenty years ago, a popular pizza place in town suddenly closed. A few weeks later, the local newspaper (remember those?) said that the owner, who had a green card and had lived in the US since childhood, was convicted of drunk driving, and had been deported to Greece, where he was a citizen. He didn’t speak Greek and didn’t know anyone in Greece. I thought it was crazy at the time. (Prison might have been appropriate. But deportation?)
The smashing car windows to grab the guy may be new. But deportation of non-citizens who commit crimes isn’t.
You may have missed the memo:
Full Title: What the Constitution says about noncitizens’ rights as Trump doubts need for due process
It’s possible he never got to court. If he did he may have been using a court appointed attorney who is overworked (if he even got an attorney willing to work hard for him). I have read many immigrants who do not speak English are made to sign documents in English and never given a translation which screws them (and even someone who speaks English well is probably ill-equipped to understand a legal document they are being made to sign). Even when the courts have told ICE to return someone because of a lack of due process ICE has willfully ignored them.
It’s not easy to assert your rights in that atmosphere.
Must have been a little over 20 years ago, because it’s been 21 since SCOTUS decided “Actually, no, you can’t deport people for DUIs anymore” (for the most part, anyway—there is a theoretical window left to do that still, depending on how any given state law is written).
Huh. Yes, it could certainly have been 25 years ago.
But we can deport green card holders for their political speech, now? I’m pretty sure it’s not a felony to lobby a college to divest from Israel.
Apparently yes.
Probably not - but there are some in our government who would like to make it so.
I cried because I had no shoes until I met a man who had no shoe business.
The business about the possible bad plea deal is about his criminal case - when
Gentile was convicted in 2020 of infliction of injury and sentenced to three years’ probation
which sounds like it’s somewhat violent and also like might be a felony. ( 3 years probation is kind of long for a misdemeanor, but I can’t really tell from the article where the conviction was) @ASL_v2.0 is suggesting that the defense attorney in that criminal case should have been able to work out a deal where Gentile took a plea to something that wouldn’t result in him being deportable. I don’t know if that’s necessarily true but it’s not about whether Gentile has had an immigration hearing - he has not, at least as of the time of the article was written
Verdi and Rey said that Gentile may consider asking to be returned to Argentina if his case takes too long to fight.
Not only did he lose his business, that’s really embarrassing to have those two posts be published together like that. What’s that expression meaning to be publicly embarrassed or ridiculed?
…oh yeah, “losing face” 
I’m not sure what this all means.
He’s a scumbag who deserves to be deported? He’s a scumbag who could have gotten a better deal with a good attorney? He’s a scumbag who had a bad attorney and then no due process but it’s ok because he is a scumbag?
Something else? Not sure what you consider a “better” way to do this here.
I didn’t say anything whatsoever about what he deserves. I have no opinion about that at this time - I don’t know enough about the facts. What I’m saying is that the comment you were replying to wasn’t about him having a crappy attorney in an immigration case. It was about him possibly having a crappy attorney in the criminal case - in which he did in fact get to court. *
And we can’t say he was denied due process in the immigration case yet- in part, because he hasn’t actually been sent out of the country yet.
* I don’t know whether the attorney was crappy or not - if the DA and judge won’t accept a plea to something without immigration consequences, there’s not much the attorney can do.
No, but you implied it (and I suspect he is guilty of this too):
The guy may be awful. He certainly doesn’t seem a model citizen. If he committed a crime then throw him in jail…same as we do for anyone who breaks the law to that degree.
It is the Gestapo-like tactics of snatching people from their home and then doing whatever they please without due process that has me upset. And that even goes for assholes…which some doubtless are.
If criminality or low character was what determined deportation, then Trump would have been deported decades ago. It’s a bit silly to get all self righteous about criminality when a criminal is President.
Not yet, but many states have laws on the books limiting free speech as it relates to Israel.
Alabama’s state law restricts contracts with companies that boycott Israel.
Arizona’s state law prohibits investments in companies that boycott Israel
Arkansas’s state law restricts contracts with companies that boycott Israel.
California’s state law prohibits investments in companies that boycott Israel.
Illinois’s state law requires state pension systems to divest from companies that boycott Israel.
Kansas’s state law restricts contracts with companies that boycott Israel.
It’s in a Daily Beast article shared by Yahoo News and citing an AJC article.
For the lengthy probation… I don’t know about California, but that is consistent with misdemeanor cases I have reviewed (for immigration consequences—not a criminal defense attorney) in Texas. The limit on incarceration is one-year for a misdemeanor, but probation can be longer than that.
In 2020, Gentile was convicted in California of misdemeanor infliction of injury and sentenced to three years’ probation—a case that was closed in 2023, according to the Journal Constitution.
I’m assuming that’s referring to California Penal Code 273.5 PC, “Corporal Injury” to a Spouse or Cohabitant, because that is the only thing that comes up when searching for infliction of injury California penal code. Although the penal code only mentions “felony,” I am seeing some secondary sources describing it was a “wobbler” that may be only a misdemeanor if the maximum penalty sought is one year in the county jail. But for immigration purposes, it’s not the felony/misdemeanor distinction that matters, but it is often the sentence.
If I want to see if a crime in California might make someone deportable, my go-to is the Immigrant Legal Resource Center, which seems primarily focused on the 9th Circuit and California (but sometimes puts out materials on other states as well). In 2016, ILRC put out this handy pdf with a chart, For Determining Key Immigration Consequences Of Selected California Offenses, which indicates that 273.5 is indeed classified by the immigration system as a crime of violence, and therefore an aggravated felony if a term of incarceration of one year or more is imposed. Which probation is not (a term of incarceration). So what I have to infer (since the reporting is that it was a misdemeanor, assuming that’s accurate) is that he most likely also received a suspended sentence (of incarceration) of one year exactly which, fun fact, is treated the same as an actually imposed sentence of incarceration for immigration purposes.
If that is in fact the case, the immigration system will most likely treat his conviction as an aggravated felony, meaning he’s basically screwed. For some crimes, like controlled substance violations or so-called “crimes involving moral turpitude,” it’s possible to get what’s called cancellation of removal where the immigration court agrees you are deportable, but then declines to order your deportation. But that’s not available for an aggravated felony conviction.
All that to say, this poor man’s would-be white supremacist selectively xenophobic parents should have more carefully analyzed the potential immigration consequences of their son’s conviction before voting for an immigration crackdown. Or they should have just not been would-be white supremacist selective xenophobes.
Anyway, I feel bad for their son and the rest of his family, but I hope his parents enjoy visiting him in Argentina. Fuck them.