Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party

Congress, the judicial system, the bureaucracy, the governments of 50 states and assorted territories, to name a few.

What makes you think Trump can tell state governments how and to whom to issue birth certificates?

Keep in mind while answering that if there is no birth certificate then there is no proof of parentage, and foundlings are US citizens by default unless it can be affirmatively proven that they were born somewhere other than the US.

Did you see what I said above about his excuse for that? He’s going to declare that’s not within the state’s perogatives as citizenship is a determination of the federal government.

Right. The current Supremes turned the constitution into naught but a rag with their decision regarding Trump and his legal liabilities. That decision is pure and unmitigated nonsense. Remember in the run-up to impeachment, the pubbies said the proper venue to pursue those charges is via the courts. Then when that happened, the pubbies said the proper venue to pursue those charges is via impeachment. And the Supremes just abrogated the impeachment clause regarding the president anyway.

@Smapti You’re talking about the legal situation now. Aren’t you aware that Trump and his enablers want to and wiill do what they can to change that?

Which, from a legal standpoint, means fuck-all. He can declare that the 79th element on the periodic table is now called Trumpium for all the effect it would have.

“What they can do to change that” is nothing. Birthright citizenship is explicitly guaranteed in the Constitution and there’s not going to be any amendments in the next four years. Any attempt to legislate a change in citizenship law is impossible because Republicans don’t have 60 votes in the Senate. And any attempt to overrule the law by presidential fiat will not survive judicial review.

Which of those, if any, have laws that enforce themselves?

All of them.

None of them.

I could see this being floated. “There can be no central power that claims anything…” even though they want their power centralized

Yeah-huh. So when Trump declares “ALL YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE LAWS ARE NULL AND VOID, ONLY I GET TO DECKDE WHO HAS BEEN BORN”, you expect the state of California’s response to be what, exactly?

It ain’t “all or nothing”, sorry. Is there a reason you used California instead of Florida, Wyoming, Idaho, Colorado or West Virginia?

Is there a reason you didn’t answer the question I asked you?

So using Dred Scott v Sanford as a precedent? That’s a heavy lift for SCOTUS.

Not in DC?

That has been discussed already. Y’all are assuming he has Thantos’ glove.

And changes in the Constitution requires 3/4 of the states. There are not 38 red states.

Or citizen who immediately file suit in District Court. Every judge rolls over?

Why did you drag us into this? Colorado is a blue state.

Whoopsie on Colorado.

You seem to think it will happen all at once. But the Republicans have been very good at playing the long con.

You should have said Texas. We will probably be the first. :rage:

No, I don’t expect that it’ll happen at all. Our government does things slowly almost by design. The legal challenges to such an act would not be resolved by the time we have another Democratic president.

It won’t happen like this. He’ll start with making a federal bureau that “oversees” the process. Then gradually takes more power.

…which would need an act of Congress to authorize it, which will not happen, because they won’t have 60 votes in the Senate.

So this was just a straw man then?

Just because you can’t figure out how to do it doesn’t mean he can’t find a way to wiggle around the laws.

What was “just a straw man”?

Every single time one of these arguments comes around it always boils down to “Trump can do whatever he wants and nobody can stop him”, which, aside from that being exactly what he wants people to believe, is simply not realistic.

Does that sound better than “Trump is completely ineffectual and is easily stopped”, or “All laws enforce themselves”? Frankly, I am damn glad that there are people prepping for when/if the shit hits the fan instead of just saying “Don’t worry your pretty little heads about anything-nothing can possible go wrong”.