Except that many of those “hippies” were children who rebelled against the conservative values of their parents.
I learned this from watching re-runs of “Adam-12” (last night’s episode featured Barbara Hale of Perry Mason fame, as the mother of a 16-year-old who got into drug dealing because her parents were just too straight.
That’s a pretty common trope, but I grew up around a lot of hippy-types, and I don’t know any of them that have gone full MAGA. In fact, I don’t know any that are even right of center. Most are still pretty liberal, with a few being kind of centrist.
Just what I stopped in to say…I totally agree with @ricepad and disagree with @Just_Asking_Questions. I was just after the hippies in college, and knew quite a few of them through my elder siblings. Many of them are protesting on the streets these days if they’re able, and writing letters to the local papers if they can’t get out to carry a sign.
The exception to this is the New Agers. The more someone seems to be into alternative medicine, it seems the more likely they are to be a right winger these days. And this also goes for anything that is alternative medicine adjacent as long as it only involves generic woo that can’t be pinned on any one non-christian religion.
I’m not sure exactly which age group you are talking about ( except that it’s older than me) but no matter which , no generation/age group is uniform. Someone else mentioned being just after the hippies in college and that’s likely to be a big difference - I’m guessing the college-aged people who left high school and went straight to work were a lot less liberal than the college students.
Bonus Irony for her choice of T-Shirt Art
Right wing politics is faith based politics - and I don’t mean religion, I mean denying facts & logic, and believing things because you want to believe them. Moving from New Age to Right Wing beliefs is more changing content than pattern.
As Colbert said about GWB 20 years ago, “He believes on Wednesday the same thing he believed on Monday no matter what happened on Tuesday.” It seems to be even more true of more people now. It’s almost a prerequisite attitude for MAGA.
When the world is too complicated for your intellect, you simplify. When the world has become too complicated for most people’s intellect, someone will supply all of them with a convenient simplification.
Convenient for the supplier that is.
Agreed.
I’ll avoid the temptation to expand into a broader rant based on my pet peeve about pop psych “wisdom” concerning differences between generations.
Suffice to say in this context that popular perceptions of particular generations are defined by photogenic/entertaining/notable outliers, not average people.
For every stereotypical 60’s hippie there were ninety-nine more people of the same generation living average non-hippie lives.
When what they are fed from Fox News is “this”, how can you expect them to believe differently? Fox News shields them from everything negative and when they have to show something, they paint it in the bestest light ever or don’t cover it. This is true for Fox News broadcast as well as their website. And knowing my rightward family, this is ALL THEY SEE. Trump could shit his pants on live TV, then take them off and wave them over his head, and it would never make Fox News coverage of any sort. He could fuck a pig on live TV ala Black Mirror, and they wouldn’t know or call it fake news. And then vote for him again.
So what’s that make you, dumbass?
Yeah. That.
She will however, absolutely positively vote for [] Anyone (R) next time. Because of course she will.
Well said.
Mine too. But they consider themselves to be well-informed.
A few years ago, I mentioned to them that kerfuffle about Melania wearing the “don’t care” jacket to the border, and they just didn’t believe me. “It would have been all over the news!”, my brother said. I pulled up the coverage on my phone to show him, and he looked at it in silence. Yet, as was said above, he believed on Wednesday the same thing he believed on Monday no matter what happened on Tuesday.
That’s the part that drives me nuts. Just before the 2024 election, I was talking to our two local Trumpers at the pub (yes, we’re Canadian, but they’re still fans). They both thought they were super-well-informed compared to everyone else. And yet, I had heard all of their bullshit talking points, and neither of them had ever even heard my counter-points.
And my points weren’t even obscure, one-off things. The super pro-union guy had no idea about Trump’s history of screwing working people out of their payments for working for him. The other “I want a successful businessman as president” guy had never heard of Trump’s multiple bankruptcies.
I gotta give her some respect for admitting she fucked up. It’s rather rare these days for anyone to own their own decision. The real test comes when she decides who to vote for next time.
In 2016, I was a lifetime Republican. All I had to do was listen to Donald Trump to quickly come to the conclusion that he didn’t know shit about anything necessary to the success of leading a nation. I won’t pretend I knew how bad he would be for the country, only that it was quite clear he was not qualifed for the office, so I voted for Hillary.
What I’m getting at is these people are responsible for their own decisions. Yeah, they’re lied to by Fox, but it’s largely because they want to be lied to. The lies are comfortable while the truth is difficult. Nobody can argue they didn’t know who Trump was or what MAGA was about in 2024.
A super pro-union guy is (or at least was) a Trumper? Talk about shitting in your own mess kit!
That’s what I wanted to figure out. He’s probably the most pro-union guy I know, and was talking about how you had to go on strike every few years to keep the bosses on their toes, and I asked him how he reconciled that with being pro-Trump. But like I said, he’d never heard that Trump regularly screws people out of their wages, and he wouldn’t even look at the links I tried to show him. The cognitive dissonance is strong.
Exactly.