Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party

Absolutely

It helps too that Republicans have completely won the rhetorical war; both from buying big chunks of the media, but also the complicity of the (former) main new platforms.

We’ve had numerous threads and posts that have lamented how Democrats look down upon blue-collar workers or Christians or farmers etc. These posts always seem to come woefully short when it comes to giving any examples at all to substantiate what they’re saying.

But as long as people continue to think this way, it doesn’t matter what happens to the country. At least MAGA doesn’t look down on me is (ironically) the sentiment many will have.

What’s that got to do with the price of eggs in China?

Projection. Projection. Projection. More projection than a 21-screen movie theater.

They’ve been talking – hell, literally singing (see: country & western music) – for decades that they are the Real Americans and urban, or college-educated, or white-collar, or non-church-going people aren’t real Americans, no matter how much income tax they pay, how often they stand for the National Anthem at ballgames, or how many in past wars fought & died in the military.

People don’t run for office in metropolitan areas on putting down rural areas, or cutting farm subsidies, or “no money for rural roads!” But people do run for office in rural areas on seceding from the big, bad, greedy, wasteful city (when that big metro area usually has an outsized role in keeping the state economy moving and the state government budget out of the red).

That was a confusing sequence of words…
I meant news platforms

And well put, @John_Bredin, agree completely

Which is why the fucker got elected.

Woman says Trump is a piece of shit and a horrible human being but she voted for him anyway because she thinks she’ll get a pay raise because of him.

Agreed…although I feel a little bad about this because a really little kid has no say in what’s served with their meal. I’m related to people who are proponents of raw milk (especially for kids); I’m confident they were told the same stories I was, of their uncles nearly dying back in the '50s because they insisted on chugging raw milk. And yet here they are, serving that crap up to the children they claim to love.

Trader Joe’s carried raw milk when I moved to L.A. in the mid-'80s. I bought some, drank it, and had diarrhea for days. Haven’t (knowingly) had raw milk since.

I may have had raw milk when I was a kid.

Reasons why this might be true: 1) My uncle had a farm and a strong belief that natural stuff was better
Reasons why this might be false: 1) His farm did not have dairy cows (though surely there were dairy cows on nearby farms)
2) My aunt was a nurse, and knew what disease was

To be fair, there’s nothing inherently wrong with it. And it is possible to safely produce and consume in small quantities.

But we have yet to discover a way to safely, sustainably, AND profitably produce it in sufficient quantities. Or even insufficient quantities, should it come to that. And that’s with thousands of years of practice involving people brilliant enough to figure out how to make stuff like Greenland shark and Fugu safe to consume and simultaneously idiotic enough to experiment on themselves figuring out how to do so in the first place.

So, until and unless we figure that out, raise a glass to Louis Pasteur!

One family w one cow = almost always safe.

One million families sharing 1 million cows blended together at random = almost always unsafe.

What is so hard about this idea?

Like the old adage: a drop of wine in a barrel of sewage results in … a barrel of sewage. Conversely a drop of sewage in a barrel of wine results in … a barrel of sewage.

People have trouble with statistics and large numbers (especially when they don’t want to believe the results). In this case, the fact that small numbers add up flies past many people. After all, the odds that any one milking produces dangerous milk is quite low; that’s why people managed to drink milk historically without constantly getting sick from it in the first place.

But as you say with enough milk from enough cows drank enough times that small initial chance adds up to an effective certainty. Thus, pasteurization.

My dad was a food science major; I had a picture book about Louis Pasteur. :grin:

My great uncle was a dairy farmer. I’ve had fresh from the cow raw milk. It. Is. Awesome.

I do not think mass produced raw milk would be awesome at all, unless you’re talking about awesome amounts of diarrhea.

You udderly :wink: missed my point.

One million families drinking their single cow’s milk will very occasionally make 1 family sick.

One million families drinking the blended milk of 1 million cows will make everyone sick every week.

It’s the blending that ensures everyone gets tainted milk and gets it often. Not the raw numbers of people or cows.

My sister kindly informed me that, while Donald Trump may well be a rapist (disclaimer so I have a defense if I get sued: under common definitions of the term rape, even if not necessarily the legal definition in every jurisdiction), she figures most men have done something like that (which, to me, sounds like a great reason to vote for the woman on the ballot, if she really believes that, right?), and anyway, he’ll make it so she can sell her house for more money.

Yep.

And be able to buy the next one for less money!

Alas, she had already closed on a new home, so I can’t fault her for that level of cognitive dissonance.