Everyone seems to be jumping on the whiny members of Dave’s tribe, but in my opinion he’s making them worse.
I agree with Jaime. They weren’t helping him enough so it looked like he dumped that thing on purpose. I’m sure it was just editing, but he also seemed to give her a “why are you all muddy” look when she went to clean herself off.
They did ask him for the flint and he wouldn’t give it to them, which was a completely stupid move. They were hungry for the challenge and tired and Dave made the firepit all by himself anyway. Sure it’s great that it’s standing, but they lost that challenge because they had no food.
It was when Dave and Ashley were arguing over the merits of firepit versus food. Dave wants to finish the pit and Ashley wants to start a small fire to make just a handful of rice for everybody while they work on the pit. Dave tells her no and that they’re going to finish the firepit first.
I remember that as Ashley asking for Dave to stop, Dave to make the fire and the food. I don’t beleive she could make fire, or food. She’d be the last person I’d trust with the flint. (like I said, it is easy to screw them up so that they are useless if you do it wrong.)
Either way, she asked him to stop for a few seconds (and we saw how quickly he lit a fire with the flint) and make a small fire so she could cook some rice for everybody.
He refused because he wanted to finish the firepit. Asshatery of the highest order.
So, she asked him to stop, and for* him* to make a fire. Entirely different from “Hey can I borrow the flint and cook up some rice here?”. They were the assholes as instead of standing around, whining and bitching; they could have, umm, I don’t know- helped?
If someone is actually doing fucking work, you do not get to ask that someone to stop and do something else when you aren’t doing anything yourself.
They thought making a firepit of that size was stupid. And they didn’t ask him to cook the food, they asked him to make the fire because he had the damn flint in his pocket.
They died in that challenge because they had no energy, don’t you think they might have had energy if they had food?
And actually, I don’t remember the exact request for the fire, I just know that he stood around like a baby and said after they finish the firepit.
I feel strongly both ways. Dave was a jackass, and a terrible leader. At the same time, most of his teammates were bitchy, whiny and lazy. No good guys in that scenario.
How Dave should have handled it:
“OK Ashley, if you’ll get some wood together and prepare some wood shavings and twigs, and find a dry spot, then I’ll get a fire started, and then you can cook while we work on finishing the hearth.”
That protects the flint, keeping it in Dave’s possession, while putting the onus back on Ashley to actually do some freakin’ work.
I agree completely with this – this is exactly how Dave should have played it.
Looking at it from the other side, one the teammates (Jaimie was also agitating for rice), should have said, “Look – a couple of us are going to break off and build a small fire to cook some rice. The rest of you can continue with building the camp and permanent fire pit. Where’s the flint?”
If Dave tried to deny them the flint: “We agree that a permanent fire pit is a good idea, but we won’t do our best in the challenge on empty stomachs. Having a meal will beneift us more as a team than getting the fire pit done 1/2 an hour sooner will.”
If he still tries to argue: “Let’s take a vote, shall we? This is a team, right?”
I wonder if Jaime has figured out yet that there is a second HHI.
Logically, there has to be one in each camp. They didn’t know in advance which team would lose the challenge, so the scroll had to apply to both camps. Has anybody seen a likely place for the HII in the winner’s camp?
Good question. I forget who was where when it was opened. If she wasn’t there, then Leslie has a bargaining chip with the other team. Or she could keep the knowledge to herself until the merge and search for it then.
I think Jaime’s note from the package said there was a hidden immunity idol and that she was actually giving the clue for it to a member of the other tribe.
Yes. Jaime knows there is an HII, because her clue said as much, but she doesn’t know where it is, because that information was in Leslie’s clue (which she then shared with Todd, who I think totally already knows where to look and just needs a moment alone to do it).
But the question asked was if Jaime knows there was a FIRST immunity idol. Since her note said that she was to give to a member of the opposing tribe the bamboo tube with the clue to the HII in it, yes, she does know there is a FIRST immunity idol. And she has to have some idea that if there’s one in Fei Long, there’s another one in HER camp. She just doesn’t have the particular clue that Leslie and Todd have.
One of the show’s rules is that any physical fighting will get you kicked off the show.
Yes, when they got back after Dave appointed himself leader, he should have called a group meeting and had everybody make suggestions. They would have come up with a list of things that needed to be done - collecting wood, starting a fire, cooking some food, building a shelter, building a firepit - and then divided up to get things done. Everyone would have been working and more would have gotten done. Instead, Dave decided to use his executive authority to declare that his project was their priority and nothing else could be worked on until it was fisnished.
Naive is what I’m seeing. And it’s apparently what Todd saw. At best all Leslie got out of the deal was that Todd now sees her as a harmless pawn he might be able to keep around for his own use.
Hindsight being 20/20, the best move for Jaime would be to ask Leslie if she chose to give her a special secret clue, would Leslie share it with Jaime? If Leslie refuses, Jamie just selects a different Fei Long. Now that Jamie knows there is a HII in plain sight at Fei Long, she deduces a second one at Zhan Hu and with the clue, discovers it on episode two, thereby negating the other planned secret HII clues in the game. (If you can’t find it, keep your eye on where the camera keeps panning to) That’s how you rock Survivor as a player. Of course, nobody on Survivor has this actual hindsight… just us viewers at home.
But the firepit worked. He was right. And Ashley could have assembled a fire and then asked Dave for the flint, but Ashely was too busy whining to do anything productive. Anyway, like I said, if everyone had all just pitched in and helped him, the Dave SuperFirePit would have been done by the time Ashley was asking for Dave to drop his project for her project.
And note it was really only Ashley asking Dave to make food, maybe there was one comment by Jaimie but I don;t think it was to Dave. It wasn’t the whole rest of the tribe. Dave wasn’t bucking the will of the tribe- he was ignoring the whinings of one non-productive useless member.
Dave was elected by general consensus at Tribal Council.
