Survivor Fiji: 5/13 (Finale and Reunion) SPOILERS

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That may be true, but then he shouldn’t have been doing what he had been and that Boo called him on–saying he was a moral Christian man, trying to set an example for his kid, calling other people rats and snakes, etc.

I was pleased Earl won but I wasn’t shouting quite as much as when Yul did.

At the risk of seeming heartless, I find many of the homeless people I’ve seen and met often have made bad choice after bad choice; many of them learn from it and straighten out and make decisions that lead to stability, but a lot of them never do, repeating a behavoir like a gambler certain that THIS time it’ll work–this new boyfriend won’t beat me or touch my kids, this new job means I’ll be running the place in six months, I can handle the booze this time, etc. Dreamz had bounced to the F5 slithering his way from alliance to alliance, casually betraying (although he never saw it that way) them, and didn’t stop to think that once he reached a point where there was nobody to vote against, he wouldn’tl be golden anymore.

I’m just glad that there’ll be all new decorations and stuff when we move to China, because I never wanna see another goddamn skull, unless it’s Lisi’s dropping out of her head in disgust.

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[QUOTE=Mehitabel]
At the risk of seeming heartless, I find many of the homeless people I’ve seen and met often have made bad choice after bad choice; many of them learn from it and straighten out and make decisions that lead to stability, but a lot of them never do, repeating a behavoir like a gambler certain that THIS time it’ll work–this new boyfriend won’t beat me or touch my kids, this new job means I’ll be running the place in six months, I can handle the booze this time, etc. Dreamz had bounced to the F5 slithering his way from alliance to alliance, casually betraying (although he never saw it that way) them, and didn’t stop to think that once he reached a point where there was nobody to vote against, he wouldn’tl be golden anymore.
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It’s bad gameplay, sure, but I don’t think it’s really indicative of the kind of person Dreamz actually is. I mean, really, whether you believed him when he said it or not, what we’re talking about here is a game show. A different kind of game show, to be sure, but a game show nonetheless. The bad choices that Dreamz made here might not be accurately reflect the choices that he has to make “out there” – and they certainly may not be as life-or-death (relatively speaking). Lots of people do lots of things on this show that cause us out here to raise eyebrows, but we’re not actually seeing true and complete people, I don’t think, primarily because editing is always involved. Except with Jerri Manthey – I’m pretty certain she’s always a bitch, although I have no direct first-hand experience to back that up.

(I will say, though, that some of my favorite players ever did some really stupid things – Ian quitting that final Immunity Challenge, for example. But as bad as some of the gameplay decisions have been? Nothing is as stupid as making Kill Reality or The Scorned. Not even voluntarily dating Jenna Morasca.)

I’d pay good money to see that, actually.

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Classy interview with Yau-Man

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Classy interview with Yau-Man
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Y’ know, back at the begining I had said that I thought Yau-Man was “as dumb as the rest”. I really have to eat crow on that one! The guy really does have both smarts and class.

I have known people like Dreamz in the past. The people who cheat an lie, so consitantly in games, be it survivor, D&D or monopoly usally do so in real life.  The lack of concern that he shows when backstabbing in the game, or going back on his word, is a window into his true character.

Editing or not, Dreamz is a person who couldn’t be trusted with a burnt out match if you were holding a gun to his head.

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Classy interview with Yau-Man
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From that link:
“There’s a move on the Internet to get a million people to send in a dollar each so I can win the million,” Chan says with a laugh. “I’m getting a lot more recognition on the street. I’m basically a shy person, so I’m trying to be more outgoing. It’s a new experience for me.”

I think I’d send him a buck. This season wouldn’t have been much fun without him.

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The interview also answered the question as to who got second place with the answer that both Dreamz and Cassandra received second place prize money and with Yauman taking third place prize money of $60,000.

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[QUOTE=Slacker]
His honor and a few thousand bucks. According to best guesses, the fourth place finisher gets $70,000, third gets $85,000 and second gets $100,000. Assuming he and Cassandra split the 2nd and 3rd prizes, that’s $92.5K instead of 70K. Of course, I don’t think for a minute that any of this rattle through that disjointed brain of his. :wink:
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So, in other words, This man’s integrity is worth about 22 thousand dollars.

I’m in the camp of Dreamz is just an idiot, no matter how you look at it. Personally, I believe that when he made the deal with Yau, and when it was just him and the camera and he went on and on about how he wanted his son to see him, that he fully intended to be honorable and keep his word. And therefore he’s lying scum with no integrity.

But even if it were true that he never intended to keep his word, he’s an idiot. If he thought that there was any way in hell that he could win the million after screwing over Yau in full view of everyone, he’s an idiot.

If he was smart enough to know that he couldn’t win the million, and he was just going to maximize his loser’s pay, he’s an idiot for selling out his integrity for a measly 20 grand. He already had a 60 thousand dollar truck, for cryin’ out loud! The additional 20 thousand isn’t worth having to face your son and try to explain why you talked on and on about honor, and then sold yours.

I’m one of the “weirdos”, if you will, who believes that even though Survivor is a game of lying and treachery, there is a line between playing the game well and just being scum. When Johnny Assplay lied about something in the real world, his dying grandmother no less, he crossed that line. And when Dreamz went back on a deal that not only involved tangible (and valuable) property but that he kept swearing up and down even when alone that he’d keep, he also crossed that line.

Just because it’s a game doesn’t mean that anything goes.

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I’m one of the “weirdos”, if you will, who believes that even though Survivor is a game of lying and treachery, there is a line between playing the game well and just being scum. When Johnny Assplay lied about something in the real world, his dying grandmother no less, he crossed that line. And when Dreamz went back on a deal that not only involved tangible (and valuable) property but that he kept swearing up and down even when alone that he’d keep, he also crossed that line.

Just because it’s a game doesn’t mean that anything goes.
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(Bolding mine.) Out of curiosity, how do you feel about how Richard Hatch, Brian Heidik, and/or Jenna Morasca played the game? Do you think their gameplay represents who they are as people? Were they good gamers, or just scum, or somewhere in between? At what point do you make the distinction? And, does it matter? I just don’t remember people making such broad character assessments about any other player before, save one or two contestants (one of whom I even called horrible names, so I am not without sin myself, here). Saying that a guy should essentially lose his job because he lied on a game show seems extreme to me, and I’m not sure I can fathom the sentiment entirely. I guess what I’m saying is: I don’t think what he did is really all that big a deal, and I don’t know why. That says more about me than I think it ought to, but there you go.

(In the interest of full disclosure: I don’t entirely agree on the the tangible property line, but I also don’t entirely disagree, either. I think it was a Very Bad Idea, with the potential consequences not thought out by either party in the least, but this is a game and it was within the rules of the game, so we can’t cry foul. Obviously Dreamz got what he deserved for doing what he did – or he didn’t get what he didn’t deserve anyway, depending on which side you’re on. Stupid is as stupid does, as they say, but it does notnecessarily a “bad person” make. And Fairplay? He was always an ass, and that bit about his grandmother just proved it. I actually find that to be a jerkier move than reneging on a deal made with one other player, because Fairplay perpetrated a fraud on more people, and he had outside help to do it, to boot. But, again, fitting end to his story. Except he won’t go the hell away now.)

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The interview also answered the question as to who got second place with the answer that both Dreamz and Cassandra received second place prize money and with Yauman taking third place prize money of $60,000.
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That was really nice from the producers. He deserves every penny. He made this season the hit it was.

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I have no problem with Johnny Fairplay’s grandma bit. Besides being funny and giving him his 15 minutes, it was a lie that didn’t hurt anyone. Everybody can do whatever they feel they need to win the game. Going home with a million is what it is all about.

If Dreamz had sworn on his kid’s grave that he was going to give Yau immunity and then laughed at the camera on the testimonial, it would have been a play for the Hall of Fame. I would have tipped my hat to him and wished him the million dollars. But it was more than clear that he meant to keep his word (actually, that he didn’t think it would come to matter). What I think reveals his true character is that he tried to pretend, outside of the game, that he always meant that deal to be gamesmanship only. That’s bull