Survivor: Guatemala Ep. 4 - "To Betray or Not To Betray"

The problem is that they are limited to environments that promote near-nakedness for the sake of ratings. **Survivor: Greenland ** just wouldn’t fly. :smiley:

The one I just can’t wrap my mind around is that they keep saying they want to vote Lydia off because she isn’t strong enough, and whenever they do that, they cut to a shot of Lydia standing there in her halter and shorts and that woman is buff! She looks like she’d be hell of stronger than Rafe; I don’t think I’d be able to win a tug-of-war with her. Another time they’re sitting on their asses talking about it, and they cut to a shot of Lydia hauling an entire fucking tree through the forest!

Survivor players are stupid.

Oh – What was the ‘shocking twist’? I didn’t see any twists (the shuffle has been done before, so I don’t think that counts), and nothing was shocking.

When I saw the preview on the cable guide it said something about ‘one member is given a fright when something nibbles on his toe in the alligator-infested water’. Lame.

Well, now I’m pissed. I stopped watching Survivor during the Vanuatu season because those people sucked so much, so I didn’t watch Palau. Then everyone tells me I’ve missed ”THE BEST-EST SEASON EVER!!!” So I tune in this season. This is no different than Vanuatu. Not a single one of these people is interesting or compelling. I really don’t care who gets voted off, which is exactly why I stopped watching before.

Moreover, these folks are really dumb! I can’t believe it never seemed to occur to Judd that a majority could slowly eliminate him. He seemed quite shocked when Margaret explained how 4:4 then 3:4 then 2:4 could hurt him. He actually ran his hands through his hair, like he thought his head would explode with the additional information. This man is so dumb, I’m surprised he’s even able to open doors.

And then there’s the Central Michigan thing. For God’s sake, I grew up less than 50 miles from CMU. I have friends who went to CMU. I’ve partied (often) at CMU. I am a huge college football fan, and I didn’t know that Hogeboom went to CMU. I looked up Danni’s biography, and she has zero ties to MI, yet less the more obscure CMU. There is no freakin’ way that she knew Hogeboom played there. Now I knew he was from MI and played for the Cowboys; but CMU? I don’t think so!

More importantly though; what was he thinking when he said “I went to Central Michigan, but I wasn’t quarterback”. What? I mean come on Gary! If you’re going to deny it, then just deny it! “Central Michigan? Never heard of it. I’m a landscaper, I didn’t go to college.”

If these people actually buy the fact, that Danni, *just so * happened to bring up a very remote, small University, and Hogeboom, *just so * happened to go there, and this is completely coincidental, then these people are officially the dumbest single assembled group of people since the last cast meeting for the “The Dukes of Hazzard” movie.

I don’t know. She seems like a hardcore sports fan.

I know a lot of hardcore sports fans who see it as a challenge to know where each pro athlete went to college.

I used to do it in basketball until my answers were inevitably “nowhere.”

But I find it odd that she identified him as “Central Michigan” instead of the 'Boys.

Maybe she REALLY knew a lot about him and thought tagging him as Central Michigan instead of Dallas Cowboys would unnerve him even more.

I thought about that. In fact, I was really going to give her the benefit of the doubt, but that was until the CMU thing. Give me a break. She would have been all of four years old when Hogeboom played for CMU. Also, I can understand knowing arcane facts about your favorite players. But I don’t think Hogeboom was anyone’s favorite player!

I sure don’t. He was, what, a 3rd string QB when Danni was about 10 years old? I’m not a huge football fan, but some of my buddies are die hard fans of about Gary’s age, and they only vaguely remember him, even after being told who he is. Plus, he looks so different now. My joke is that he could convice everyone that he wasn’t a QB by telling them his real name and saying “Ever herad of a QB with that name?”

Oh, for a good Jerri-type villain. These people are boring with a capital bore.

I think he was fully aware of that problem before. He’s just a lousy liar. He was trying to think of a way to downplay the possibility so as to not make Margaret suspicious that he was going to be a turncoat. Remember, when he talked with Steph before, they made it clear that if Judd allied with them, they’d pick off the other players one by one.

No, he was trying to convince Margaret that it wouldn’t happen like that, so she’d relax.

Maybe he already talked about going to CMU before Danni’s accusation in a clip that didn’t air, which means he couldn’t go back on that. I’m sure he never expected someone to “recognize” him from there.

I do agree that she was fed info.

I don’t think Danni got tipped off. She makes a living as the host of a sports show - I assume she knows the business. I think the Central Michigan thing was her being clever - which worked - Gary’s was expecting the Cowboys question but was caught offguard by the college question and admitted the truth before he had a chance to realize he should have lied.

If Probst goes, I’m going to miss him. He strikes the perfect balance as the host. He doesn’t try to make it all about himself and he calls the players on their bullshit. Compare his performance to that of other reality show hosts and you realize how much he brings to the show.

If Danni was fed the info, she is doing a solid job of acting like she wasn’t.

That was a pretty sly bit.

Maybe, but what would have been the point of that “cleverness”? How many people went to Central Michigan and didn’t play in the NFL? More than one, I would imagine. It’s not like anyone would be able to go back to camp and Google him, and he’s actually not that terrible a liar. He has a sort of vagueness about him that suggests that he isn’t capable of lying convincingly. (Compare with Judd, who is a terrible liar, and you can tell.) So, if she wanted make it known that he is a former pro athlete, why not just call him out as the former Cowboy that he is? Seems like a lame attempt at being sly, if that’s what it was supposed to be.

Oh I think it was great. She got him to lie in front of everyone and can later call him on it at a crucial moment in a tribal council.

It is like a prosecutor asking someone a question in a grand jury so he can later prosecute them for perjury.

She’s got a perjury charge waiting for Gary.

That’s assuming that she lasts that long. Or that he does, for that matter.

Gary’s awkwardness as a liar is why it worked so well. He had psyched himself up for the expected questions about his NFL career and was prepared to tell a convincing lie about that. But the college question was unexpected and his fumbling evasions about it made the other players suspicious.

This is a key technique for breaking a liar’s story; the liar is ready for the obvious questions and has invented a plausible story. So the questioner asks him about other questions that are indirectly related to the main subject. The liar now has to decide on the spur of the moment whether to lie (which opens up the possibility of being caught in the lie) or tell the truth (which opens up the possibility of giving information that will expose the lie). But it’s not the lie or the truth that really reveal the liar; it’s the hesitation as the liar tries to keep his story straight.

Very true. But better to have if she needs it later than waste it now when it would do no good.

You obviously read that scene differently than I did, then. I don’t think Gary is awkward as a liar – he has a general air of awkwardness about him as a person. Because when Danni said, “You look like this guy who went to Central Michigan,” and then Gary answered, “Well, I went to Central Michigan, but I didn’t play, who do you think I look like?” and then Danni didn’t (or couldn’t) answer that question, it actually helped Gary’s case a little – and it certainly didn’t help Danni any, I don’t think. He’s a bad liar, but she’s a bad “truther,” and I think she looks even more squirrelly than he does. If I were on that tribe, I would have pressed for more info. “Yeah, Danni, who does he look like?” The fact that nobody else asked follow-up questions suggests to me that Yaxhá is more inclined to believe him than her (even the former Nakúm members didn’t ask, although she could have already filled them in). And in that case, if she turns on him later, it might help her temporarily with the “spite vote,” but since Gary seems pretty well-liked, it’s not going to help her for long. Especially if she uses the info pre-merge.