Or, given what his followers believe about him, it’s entirely possible that he’d say, “You really think it’s OK to kill babies just because you can’t keep it in your pants? What’s wrong with you people?”
If you’re opposed to abortion and there are PP-type groups that provide similar sex education and contraception and health care services without the abortion component, ** Ají de Gallina**'s position is more workable. I’m not aware of any of those in the U.S., at least not of that size and scope. Probably that’s because in the U.S., if you’re against abortion it’s very likely you’re opposed to contraception and sex education. In other countries maybe that’s not the case.
Before abortion: live kid
After abortion: Dead kid.
Talk about a soudbyte.
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Interesting that you say that. Here in Peru, you get Catholic gruops, really conservative, providing free pap, mammos, pregnancy care. No abortions.
The governemt provides free contraception.
Baloney. And yet again, I am obliged to post a reminder that we are talking about donations that don’t pay for abortion in any way, so there is no compromise being made on “child killing.” There is, however, a compromise that reflects the importance of other services this group provides.
And here that doesn’t happen because opposition to abortion tracks pretty strongly with opposition to birth control and sex education that teaches anything more than “don’t have sex.” So those things are all the subject of controversy even though more birth control and better sex education means fewer abortions. And for that matter, those views also track pretty closely with “I don’t want my taxes to pay for poor women’s health care- or their child care.”
Abortion is too much of an issue. Nobody would say that (i.e. fund it cuz your money ain’t going there) if PP had a slavery-supporting arm.
Here too you have groups opposing abortion that also oppose contraception yet still provide the free services for pre-natal care, pap, mammos; no questions asked: the health of thebaby and the mother are first.
Sex education that is only “don’t have it” is silly. Sex education that explains all the issues and then says “don’t” is not silly.
I know what you mean. I feel exactly the same way about the Catholic Church. I know they do good things and give comfort to a lot of people, but anyone who participates in and funds a church that actively covered up sexual abuse of children is someone whom I have serious ethical doubts about.
Are you saying women can’t “keep it in their pants” (did you take one of those southern state abstinance only classes?) and just go get abortions because it is so cheap and easy?
So who gets abortions and why do they get them?
50% are all pregnancies are ‘unintended’ pregnancies.
Of the women:
70% are poor- below 100% of the federal poverty level
30% are ‘higher income’.
75% report they are religious (28% Catholic, 37% Protestant)
36% are white
30% black
25% Hispanic
45% are single
18% are teens
50% are in their 20’s
0.4% are under 15
60% terminate before 9 weeks
60% have children already
75% say they cannot afford another child
54% say they used contraceptive
50% say they no male support, even if they are married
75% report having concerns for family, work, school
There are over 1 million abortions a year. This number is far too high.
But, if abortions were made illegal tomorrow, what should we do with these one million unwanted kids every year? I’m sure a large number of women would keep the kids. What percent? I don’t know. Lets go for 70%. We now only need to place 300,000 kids a year. That’s only 6,000 per state per year. Maybe we can open some “baby towns” and put them all in there.
The poster I was responding to made the somewhat absurd statement that if the guy whose teachings Christians follow were to manifest in today’s world, he’d say that people should fund Planned Parenthood for the sake of their contraceptive offerings because those will reduce the kind of pregnancies that are likely to get aborted. Given that the followers of said guy find his (purported) teachings high on celibacy and low on non-procreative sex, the likelihood is that he’d reject the notion that contraception or abortion is an either-or choice when it comes to unwanted pregnancy. And strictly speaking, he’s not wrong, although obviously, Americans (and other modern Western nationals) have a lot more fun trying to deny that fact than consider it a realistic option.
I’m not sure why we’re repeating this. I said earlier that in your situation, it makes sense to give to one of those other organizations that don’t do abortion. In the U.S., I don’t see those alternatives and I was explaining the reason.
I know. I’m not the one of the people who insists on what’s called abstinence only sex education, which come to think of it is a contradiction in terms, and in any case the programs don’t work!
Of course it is perfectly moral to prevent women from receiving life-saving health care if you can pat yourself on the back that you’re being moral about it.
And it’s perfectly moral to increase the number of abortions by preventing women from receiving family planning services as long as you strut around proclaiming your disgust with abortion.
:rolleyes:
It’s nice that other countries have other options to provide women’s health services. Those options don’t exist in the U.S. PP is the sole provider for many women and their families.
Defunding PP kills women and increases abortions. No amount of self-congratulatory anti-abortion rhetoric will change that.
Excellent. So I assume that Planned Parenthood has closed in your area, having no one to whom to provide the 97% of their services unrelated to abortion.
I cannot imagine that there are no other alternatives in the US. it simply boggles the mind.
I’m more than sure that there are other alternatives to PP that would rise to the occasion; no, not instantly; but If PP dropped its abortion branch I’d have no problem funding their very useful non-baby-killing activities.
Unfortunately we don’t get that in the US. Why are Catholic groups not providing free paps, mamos, pregnancy care in the US? We have a huge Catholic population. Also there is no free contraception in the US. Why is that? The anti-contraception Catholic vote perhaps?