Being horny has nothing to do with rape. Rape is using sex to gain power over someone, to hurt and control them. Saying, “well, I haven’t had sex for a long time, so I’m going to take it!” is bullshit. Plenty of people get horny and don’t rape. There are also rapists who aren’t “sex-starved” (have wives and/or girlfriends) and still commit rape.
I know that.
A usual sex starved person wont rape, a sex starved guy on the street won’t rape you. but there’s still a good chance that a sex starved bandit may rape you if you’re in his captivity. Agree??
But it isn’t “based on nothing but their gender”. That’s like saying giving up a seat for old people or disabled people because it’s likely they have a tougher time standing in a bus is “based on nothing but their age or their disability”. In a crowded bus in Delhi, a woman is much more likely to be sexually harassed than a man. This is not because everybody thinks women are there to be harassed. No, it is because Delhi is a vast melting pot of socio-economic classes and cultures and shared cultural norms do not exist, although they are in the process of being molded. Part of that reflects in people who will harass women, part of that reflects in people who do not want women to be harassed. And the best way of expressing that latter desire(at least in that particular time and space) is to get up and offer a seat. Does this mean the society as a whole respects women? Of course not, and I don’t think anybody is trying to claim that. It just means that reality is more complex than the monochrome world of StJoan If you’ll go back and read truthseeker’s post, he is only offering this up to counter the claim that Indian society as a whole disrespects and hates its women. And for that, I do think it counts.
Being “sex starved” has nothing to do with it. Rapists commit rape because they want to hurt and control their victims. Whether they’re “sex starved” or not.
As far as I can tell, these people were far off the beaten path to begin with, and then they got lost. India gets upwards of 6 million tourists a year. I can’t find any statistics, but here’s a Wall Street Journal article that confirms my thinking on the issue.
Just to expand on that a little bit - I think tourists add so much to the local economy that in places which they frequent there’s inbuilt protection(the prettiest white girl I have ever met stayed for weeks in one of the seediest parts of Delhi - Paharganj. Locals stay away from there because it’s so unsavoury, but tourists frequent it and do just fine). So tourist spots in general will be ok except for stray incidents that cannot be helped, and the probability of those will be by and large the same as in other places. Places like the one involved in this incident - far off the beaten path and also unsafe in general, well, they are unsafe. There’s no getting around that. But there are also lots of other places that are off the beaten path, but still safe. And to discover those, yes research will be needed, but what rewarding travel experience doesn’t?
Well, bandits take stuff from people. A group of bandits typically targets a much smaller group of travelers and takes whatever they view as valuable from their victims. So… they take money, food, jewelry… oh, look, one of these travelers is female, let’s take some sexual intercourse while she’s here. It’s not so much they want to “hurt” their victims as they don’t see taking stuff from them as wrong. We’re hungry - let’s eat their food. We’re horny - let’s use her vagina.
It does make a sort of nasty logical sense. The targets have something the bandits want, the bandits take it. Food, gas, Rolex watches, gold earrings, money… and use of bodily orifices.
I’d have to agree. In this context, I don’t think it’s a matter of “wanting to hurt”, so much as when an opportunity presents itself, they don’t contend with morality or principles; instead, they are extreme opportunists, who don’t fear consequences enough to prohibit actions (impulsive or otherwise). It’s a matter of imposing ones will, while anything or anyone else only exists to serve the perpetrators desires.
Well, quite. I’ve nothing against educating men not to rape - I got that lesson down quite early - but if we’re talking bandits, what are the odds they’re going to say “We’ll steal from you, kidnap you, we may hold you for ransom, we may even decide to murder you - but of course we won’t rape you, because that would just be wrong”?
You can expect civilised law-abiding people to behave like properly socialised human beings, but sorry, the whole world isn’t sanitised for your safety and convenience.
I thought it was both sexual gratification and power. Didn’t we learn that the whole “rape is all about power” thing is, at best, an extreme over-simplication if not outright wrong?
For example, from Psychology Today:
Not that I particularly care about this side-jack, as it doesn’t really make what happened any better or worse.
Yeah. Strikes true to me too.
Even of you were really horny, would you enjoy having sex with a scared, screaming, crying, hurting partner who despises you?
Most people would find that (in real life) disturbing and repulsive, not attractive and sexually gratifying. In order to see that as a fun bonus to your robbery, you’ve got to enjoy or at least be totally cool with those power dynamics. Power has to be there somewhere.
Being “sex-starved” doesn’t correlate with enjoying the sexual gratification of rape.
True, but do you really think a rapist wouldn’t rape someone if he was getting sex elsewhere? It’s because he gets off on harming others. Reasons for rape aren’t just, “I’m horny, I’m gonna take it!” or, “I’m going to control this bitch!” It’s more about using sex to harm someone. The idea of rape is what excites him. Not just sex.
Ah, marriage.
That, or you don’t see the victim as a human being, or a partner, or whatever. More of a masturbation aid or something. If the Bad Person sees other people as tools or things to be used what the other person thinks might not matter to the Bad Person. After all, people scream, cry, get scared, etc, when you take their money/vehicle/credit cards/whatever, too.
I guess that’s what I’m trying to say. Rapists might take sexual gratification in rape, but it has nothing to do with whether they are otherwise sex-starved.
Really strange advertising campaign by Ford, India today:
Of course. I wouldn’t say otherwise.
Agreed, but the idea that ordinary men will resort to rape if they’re sexually frustrated is an ancient one. In the Middle Ages it was used as justification for allowing prostitution out of fear men would to things like raping decent women or homosexuality or masturbation. The latter two being considered even worse than the former by some groups.