quote from Senegoid’s post:
we(indians) look at whats right and whats wrong and what needs to be done. we dont look at how evolved or how primitive the western standards are. And how obnoxious or how better our standards are compared to them.
i think this is what **bldysbba **is saying.
Oh-fer-'eaven’s-sake! If you support a culture of misogyny to the extent that it eventually culminates in the acceptance of rape and female genocide, then you ARE savages, whatever the color of your skin. Stop playing the race card when you are clearly in the wrong. If bldysabba and truthseeker2, are anything to go by, it is clear that Indians (irrespective of their color, caste and gender) have no desire to change their attitude towards women. It is obvious that the relatively fast and strong sentences handed out in cases like this have very little to do with a sense of justice or any sympathy for the victim – you lot are just desperate to salvage your country’s reputation after it took a beating in the international forum, post the events in Delhi last December, and you will go to any extent for that.
Hi StJoan, how are you?
culture of rape - thats media’s imagination n thats false. India has much less per capita rapes cases - reported as well as non-reported(I have reasoning for this), compared to many countries including the US.
Culture of misogyny- yes that is there. nobody here is supporting it. I believe we are more passionate abt ending it than you are.
female genocide - you mean foeticide? yes, that also comes when we speak of misogyny.
race=culture. someone else brought out culture while discussing rape and harsh sentencing. we just pointed that out.
wont comment on myself, but bldysabba’s attitude and perspective is already correct(no change needed) and better than yours from what I’ve read in this thread.
you misunderstood when we’ve written in understandable language. so not our fault.
India doesnt need any certificate from anyone or any country.
nobody here cares abt India reputation. you curse it for right reasons(politicians, misogyny, corruption etc) and I will also join in.
I’ll have you back up your slander with facts. Please cite the posts where I display an attitude towards women that “support a culture of misogyny to the extent that it eventually culminates in the acceptance of rape and female genocide”.
You too, please cite the posts where I’m being defensive.
To clarify. This post is fucking obnoxious. That’s all I was pointing out. It implies strongly that India has an ingrained culture of rape and crime against women, and that somehow the only reason Indians despise that some of our countrymen commit such horrific acts is that a) some of us have reached some form of ‘evolved’ western morality(Steubenville anyone?) and (b) The rapes have been an international embarrassment.
These are reprehensible implications. India has plenty of flaws, and many of them have to do with how we treat women. Nobody is denying that.. But if you’re on board with the kind of smug, judgmental bullshit that Senegoid(disclaimer at the top not withstanding) has spewed here, then you don’t know anything about India beyond the sensationalist news articles that you’ve read, are not coming at this from a useful perspective, and are really not worth engaging with.
And I only now read this! Hahaha. What Senegoid only implied, you’re happily accusing Indians of doing. While you’re hunting for evidence of my misogyny, it’d be nice if you could back up this statement too.
Nice post. I hadn’t cared to reply because of the disclaimer at the top but of course, couldn’t have put it out as well comparing with the way you’ve done…
Why is it obvious, exactly? Is the median sentence for gang rape in Madhya Pradesh much lower? Do criminal trials in that state generally take longer? Or are you maybe just pulling this stuff out of your arse?
What is that supposed to mean?
Generally, posters on this board are encouraged to use correct spelling, grammar, capitalization, punctuation, etc.
So, yes, I am annoyed by it. I would encourage you – if you feel the need to use a slash – to use the correct one for the purpose.
While a review of the thread suggests that St. Joan is personally bitter about India, and is probably just being offensive for the heck of it, I think criminal trials in MP probably DO take longer than this one has. The judicial process in India is (in)famously slow and backlogged*. However, that this case has been processed quickly STILL shouldn’t lead to the interpretation offered by St. Joan, unless one is determined to think badly of India and Indians(as St. Joan almost certainly is). Any number of reasons are possible - the massive domestic outrage and demonstrations over the earlier Delhi case led both the police and the judges to treat rape cases with greater importance, the criminals were easy to catch, evidence was easy to obtain, the defence lawyers sucked ass. But no. Obviously it can only about the image.
*IMO the unresponsive judicial system(especially at lower levels) and largely inept police are together the single biggest reform area that India should be tackling, and unfortunately no politician seems to want to.
Sure, I will try to do that. I now see that “/”(front slash) is used for “or”. I try to finish my post fast, only focus on getting the message across. Now that a couple of posters have talked about lack of capitalization, punctuation etc., I will try to address that.
Agreed.
Well, date rape springs to mind - you know, the old school ‘put out or get out’ ride up to the local Lover’s Lookout.
And then he proceeds to bang away, leaving her in pain for days. Dunnow, it still counts as violence where I come from, even if it’s not at the same level as, say, a knife wound.
Even if it wasn’t violent, I wouldn’t call any rape “petty”.
You have reasoning for this, huh? Well, I’m convinced!
The UN Crime Trends survey says he’s right. The per capita rate in India is 1/30th that of the US, and comparable with Japan. Even if you increase it by a factor of ten to account for underreporting it’s still better than most Western states.
The problem is that the sexual crimes underreporting factor in play in India is likely orders of magnitude higher than ten. Same deal with Japan, in fact. Take a look at numbers for some of the other countries on the list. Compare Egypt’s rate with, say, Israel’s. Don’t those Egypt numbers seem a bit… off?
Sure, but unless you have a better figure, what are you gonna do?
Lets look at Delhi to get an idea about under-reporting - In 4 months since the December gangrape, public awareness was at the highest, Police claims that there are women officers in every police station now and officers are under specific instructions to note down complaints or FIRs immediately as the complainant arrives at the police station. Its hard to imagine that there are many rape cases going unreported these days in Delhi. New reported cases should be quite close to reality for these reasons.
Delhi sees 158 percent increase in rape cases, 600% rise in molestation cases while 783.67% rise harassment cases since Dec.
So, if x number of rape cases were being reported earlier, around 2.6x are getting reported now. y molestation cases earlier, 7y molestation cases now. z harassment cases earlier, 8.8z now.