Taking the keys away from elderly parents

Oh boy, I’m absolutely following this thread because we are in this situation with my dad, who is in the beginning stages of dementia. He absolutely refuses to either entertain the idea that he has dementia or the idea that he should stop driving. My sister has set up a driving test for him either this month or next month – I forget who does this, whether it is a 3rd party facility or some sort of medical-adjacent facility.

In the event that he fails, our plan is to a) tell our parents that if Dad gets in an accident, that the insurance company won’t pay for it if he has been found unfit to drive (which I think is true), which will convince Mom at least that she should take the keys away; b) tell Dad that, well, that’s too bad and yes, it’s possible that it was a travesty and that the examiner didn’t give him enough credit (I am almost certain he will make such an argument) but he can always set up another driving test later, and c) get Mom to ask around at their church to see if there’s someone who would like to make extra money by driving him to the gym every day (his main driving).

We tried GoGoGrandparent but Mom was absolutely appalled at how much it cost. If it had been just Dad I think we could have gotten him on board.

That poses another question (beyond “taking away the keys”): If you know someone is planning to do something like that, what can you do about it? The police likely have better things to do than staking out Grandpa’s house so they can catch him in the act…

The sad part is he is a retired police officer. He was pulled over for an illegal turn about 10 years ago. The officer asked for his license, he gave him his retired police officer ID card instead. The officer cited him for the illegal turn and failure to provide his license.

There isn’t much “learning” involved. I had to get a newer phone to use the app, but then it was “push a button, put in my destination, wait for them to pick me up!”

My advice for anyone my age or older: toughen up, you can learn anything that you really want to*. Though you might have to ask for help. Taxis, bus schedules, Uber, senior transportation… my mom discovered that the activities/maintenance person at her sorority (oops, I mean, her retirement home) regularly takes people to appointments and the store.

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*(I say that knowing that my wife isn’t a poster here… she’d roll her eyes and tell you about all the times that my first reaction was “I don’t have time to learn that…”)

Reading all of this with interest. Mom has macular degeneration, Dad has numb feet from diabetes. Plus being in their 80s. AND they still maintain a lake house, 2.5 hours from their home near me. They don’t always go to the lake house together so they still have 2 cars. I have NO IDEA what I’m going to do. I can’t shuttle them back and forth to the lake house.

Oh, geez, now I’m getting upset.

Well why don’t you take his car shopping? Just don’t take him car shopping. His care probably won’t buy much anyway.

We gave my mom an iPad, and when she discovered she could join Facebook and see pics of her great-grandkids, she took to like… like someone half her age!*

Wife and I aren’t on social media at all, but now, we hear all about her great-grandkids playing football and field hockey (High School teams). Oh, and she loves FaceTiming with realtives, where she always tells us “I’m so sorry you can’t get the facebook, there’s the cuuuutest video of…” (Last week it was “A baby giraffe being raised by tigers…”) “They’re fattening him up, mom.”

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*Mom is pushing 100.

She’s been willing to learn new things if there’s a reward involved: found out her Smart TV would get Netflix, and got hooked on The Crown. And she’s meeting up with friends for online lectures and Wii Bowling.

Ouch.

Ouch indeed.

I wonder if he was hoping that the fellow who pulled him over would wink-wink-nudge-nudge and let a fellow member of the force go without a ticket.

We’ve just been through this at my home. My husband was tested twice, the second time lost his license. Here’s what I learned in the process.

It was explained to me, your ability to make a left hand turn or park perfectly are very poor indicators of whether you should still be driving. Muscle /neuron memory is strong and you’ll be able to well execute those moves still long after you should stop driving.

As it takes your license, the administration of the test is strictly controlled. The part that decides if you’ll drive again, in my jurisdiction, is a divided attention task test. Divided attention is crucial to driving, but it’s what fades, long before muscle memory.

The portion that decides it is a simple exercise, a sheet of paper with the numbers 1-6 spaced randomly about, and the letters A-F also spaced randomly. The subject is given a pencil and told to connect the letter/numbers, as follows; 1-A-2-B-3-C… etc.

It is administered very specifically. The tester is only allowed to explain it twice, and must allow the test taker, a full four minutes to complete. Possibly the longest, most painful 4 minutes to endure as an observer.

But a simple test anyone could administer really. Here in Ontario seniors are allowed to keep their license but only as ID, it softens the blow for them. It was also explained you have 24hrs, till Dept. of Transport is informed. From then on, your car insurance is void and no longer covers any accidents! And that’s what keeps most elder drivers from driving after diagnosis and testing.

Being diagnosed with cognitive loss and losing your license is a tough blow, BUT… the available meds do work, but it’s essential to take them at the beginning of the decline when they will work best. If you wait till the disease has progressed significantly, the meds won’t likely work very well to slow things down.

Pointing that out was what helped my husband decide to get tested. It might be worth introducing the concept to your elderly drivers. Even if they’re hiding it from you, they ARE aware and probably frightened about what is happening to them. Knowing there are effective meds, but must be administered early in the decline to be most effective, makes testing, diagnosis, medication, a sensible, mature and reasoned prudent/adult choice. They may feel in charge and less fearful, and def not hopeless. Approach them as reasoning adults and give them time to process their choices and its implications.

I know how challenging and frightening these changes can be for everyone. We’re now a full two years in and we’re muddling through just fine without a car or any family in town. A lot of resources are available, in this day and age, that weren’t in times earlier.

Good Luck!

I think you overkilled the solution with the fancy floor cleaner with the attachments and water tank.

Just get her a mop, so she’s standing up.

Here’s the trail making test if anyone is curious. It’s a common part of the neuropsycholocal testing battery.

Trail Making Test 4th Edition.pdf (safemobilityfl.com)

Clearly so, in retrospect. But it was telling about her cognitive decline, because in years past she’s had fancy high end house cleaning gadgets that were at least as ‘complex’ as this one and she could figure out how those worked with no problem. Not so anymore apparently.

Two strikes for my mom. Luckily she was very reasonable, so I don’t have any advice there.

My MIL (85?) has a nice new car but recognizes that she shouldn’t be driving it. I recently told her that was an admirable thing. My gf stops by each week to take her grocery shopping and she knows how to order groceries for delivery. I’ve picked her up and taken her places. Another son drives her around every week or two. It’s working fine for now.

Last week I drove her to our house, stoping at a brewery along the way. After we each had one beer I told her we had to decide who’d be driving from there to our house. The idea of her attempting to drive my manual transmission Jeep was hilarious (her new knees work, but are a weak point).

My wife was given this test as part of a general cognitive assessment. But instead of instructions, they had drawn the lines from 1 to A to 2 and left her to figure out the rule. She had no trouble either figuring out the rule or completing it. But I think it is now too well known (part of the Montreal cognitive assessment protocol) to be really useful any more.

I think it’s true that the “figuring out the rule” part might not work any more. But the “divided-attention” part about being able to connect the letters and numbers when they’re spaced randomly… I bet my dad can’t do that any more even with explicit instructions to do so, although five years ago I assume he would have found it trivial. (He hasn’t been tested for driving yet, and I don’t know whether the test is the same in his state as it was for @elbows’ husband.)

It’s cool that dementia patients aren’t allowed to drive, but they are allowed to run for president and control a nuclear arsenal. :crazy_face:

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Years ago, my Mum took the keys to my dad’s old Ute. He agreed that he shouldn’t be driving but every now and then he would go find the keys and go for a drive anyway. She was scared he would kill someone, so I disabled the ute. Pulled the rotor arm out of the distributer. He spent months on and off trying to figure out why it wouldn’t start, never did. If he actually did need something from the shops or to go to a medical appointment, Mum could do it or take him so he didn’t “need” the ute, just wanted it…