I kinda wish these kids’ claims were true. Because if D-Day was really a cover for the initiation of a secret, cruelly oppressive, pan-global American dictatorship, these little cretins would already have been taken out and shot.
Oh, well. Chalk it up to the burdens of freedom.
That is wrong on a few levels, but all I want to say in regards to it is that is it a sad sad sad day when apathy wins out over making your voice heard and counted, even if it ultimately is not listened to.
Hey, I’d rather that kids apathetically stayed home than get involved in destructive mass movements. Since these particular kids Godwinized themselves (by implying that they’d rather live under Nazi rule than the current global order), don’t you think an apathetic German youth in the 30s would have been preferable to the energized and enthusiastic Nazi youth? Would you think it was a great testament to the gorgeous mosaic of diversity if kids were enthusiastically joining the Klan? Enthusiastic and smart is good, apathetic and smart is ok, apathetic and stupid is fine, but enthusiastic and stupid is horrific.
Has to be, people can’t be that sick
Thankfully, most if not all of the reactions to the announcement display the same disagreement, anger and discontent.
I see a lot of deep social and psycological analysis of these people and their cause, when everyone should really be realising that they’re a bunch of fucking idiots.
Firstly, I’m almost annoyed that it’s only the “evil, capitalist U.S.” that “invaded” Europe in WWII. Hey! Great Britain, Canada, Australia, Russia, etc., we all did some pretty great stuff there too. Probably consider us too socialist/communist/whatever, the lousy stupid freak’n…
My deep take on this is that easy information exchange has made only slightly balmy and eccentric people into fucking stupid people. Think about it. Any crap idea any idiot comes up with can be shared and re-inforced, whereas before, that person would wake up in a weeks time, be eating some puffed wheat and say “Wait a minute, that idea is fucking stupid! I’m so glad I didn’t tell anyone and embarass myself”.
Seriously. I’m 23, this is not old; I get my University degree in a few weeks. “Concerned students fighting for change” against a government they think doesn’t care enough is one thing. A bunch of fucking fruitcakes with ideas that someone insanely polite and restrained would find “rude and inconsiderate” is totally another.
wait. where is everyone getting the idea that this is more than just a few idiots?
Christ… there is no idea out there that someone dosent agree with.
Is it possible that this event is a parody, designed to make fun of the more idiotic Iraq-war protests?
Who’s talking about “demonstrating” ? My point is about the politisation of chunks of a generation in a democracy (and of which demonstrating may, or may not, be a part).
It seems you don’t want that because you don’t agree with their naïve views – if only that we could be as sophisticated as you have always clearly been. Hell, why should anyone have the right to begin their political journey unless they agree with you from the outset; damn, don’t these kids get ‘democracy’ !
I know you’re fixated on this idea of “rock concert demonstrating” (wherever that comes from) but it’s actually about introducing kids to everything from Bush to voting in the local Town Hall dust up. After that they mature, but at least they’ll still be involved.
I’m sorry that’s not an appealing notion to you.
Whatever…no one is saying anything about taking anyones precious rights away. I’m suggesting a couple of things:
1 people should educate themselves on the issues they choose to become active with.
2 there are plenty of political movements we would be better off without (radical religeous fundamentalism, racial supremicism, etc)
3 people who are uncompromising in their beliefs make me nervous.
4 we’d be a whole lot better off if everyone stopped trying to act as if they had all the answers.
Maybe you could explain your need to turn this into a personal attack simply because I choose to exercise my right to disagree with you?
You’re assuming they will mature. If they don’t, you get more idiot activists that run around soaking up media attention and thus making the job of activists with a rational message that much harder.
Yeah, they have the right to say what they want, but they’re still idiots.
Wow. We went out of our way (I personally think the European theatre was not our business and would have urged us to stay out of it) to save a bunch of Europeans from the harsh governance of German National Socialism…and this is what we get.
Folks, this is part of why I’ve been saying all along that such wars are useless. There is no gratitude. Let’s leave these people to their own fates from now on.
That’s right RexDart because these couple of idiots think that way it is correct to say that Europeans have no gratitude for the dead of WWII. WTF are you talking about? Are you that clueless? Should I think that all Americans are racists pricks because of the KKK? Should I think that you are all creationist god freaks etc.
Oh and BTW the US fighting in the Europe wasn’t just a act of kindness.
I don’t know your age, RexDart, but I’m willing to bet my left arm you had fuck-all to do with the liberation of Europe in WWII. Am I right?
You would not have been alone at the start of WWII: your government shared that sentiment.
What? A handful of idiots is enough to invalidate an entire liberation?
You want to know what you get, for liberating a continent?
This kind of crap is what you get.
And this shit, too.
Then, there’s this nonsense, where people come to do dumb stuff like this.
People express their ungrattitude by doing this, too.
So, the Allied Liberation of Nazi-occupied Europe was “useless”.
On behalf of a free continent and a combined total of over 800,000 dead Allied soldiers, allow me to extend you a sincere “fuck you”, RexDart.
You know what, Coldfire, allow me to admit that I overreacted and overstated the anti-Americanism in Europe. You’ve shown that there is some pro-American sentiment, some thankfulness for what we helped to accomplish. OK, fine.
But I’m not shaken in my conclusion about the fact that we Americans should have stayed out of the European theatre. (And yes, I use “we” despite the fact that I wasn’t personally involved, I don’t see the problem, alot of people on this board who’ve never served a day in the military feel fine about endlessly criticizing US foreign policies, at least I’m one person criticizing who’s actively trying to get into the military rather than just badmouthing it from afar.) It was not our business to “liberate” Europe. And we did a pretty shitty job of it to boot, since we left half of Europe in the grip of an empire just as evil as the one we helped defeat.
How many of those dead you speak of were Americans who died in a conflict that was none of our fucking business in the first place? One is too many. I see 407K American deaths total on your list, surely plenty of those were deaths in the European theatre. I also see a HALF MILLION DEAD GERMAN CIVILLIANS on that list, due to Allied airstrikes. Yeah, great fucking liberation that was for them. At the height of their popularity, the Nazis got something just over 30% of the population to vote for them. So that’s 350,000 dead German civillians who did nothing to put the Nazis in power.
Everyone else gets fucking carte blanche for bitching about military operations, but I get no leeway at all for opposing the European theatre of WW2?
“And we did a pretty shitty job of it to boot, since we left half of Europe in the grip of an empire just as evil as the one we helped defeat.”
Are you referring to the USSR? Well, I certainly don’t blame the allied forces for not being able to stop what they thought was an ally (at least in the context of defeating Nazi Germany) at the time.
“You’ve shown that there is some pro-American sentiment, some thankfulness for what we helped to accomplish. OK, fine.”
It’s not pro-American or pro-Canadian per se. That all sounds far too political. People over here, on the whole, recognise and praise those who liberated them. A few nutjobs notwithstanding, that sentiment isn’t going to go away anytime soon. And it’s completely separated from any current political feelings: I can assure you most citizens of the countries that opposed the current war on Iraq will just as easily praise the liberators of WWII.
Might as well ask, oh mighty Rex. What would you have done? How about those whiny Nips?