Anyone in his family who should encounter this thread will be pleased as punch with you.
I hadn’t seen this one before (5:28).
Sigh.
They may call it a heart attack because it most likely was a heart attack given what we know which is a complaint of chest pains and and an enlarged heart. I’ve personally responded to many ODs. Ive narcan’d quite a few people. Performed CPR on quite a few. This sounds like a heart attack not an OD.
That’s not to say drugs had nothing to do with it. The enlarged heart could very well been from years of bad lifestyle choices. Partying that would not be fatal to a normal person could have led to a heart attack due to his bad health. But that’s not an OD. As was pointed out there are reports of substances in his urine but not the amounts. Drugs being a contributing factor (if that is the case) does not equal OD.
I apologize for being imprecise in my terminology. I have always used OD for drug related deaths.
I realize now that is not correct. I didn’t mean to imply that an excessive amount of any specific drug caused Taylor’s death.
Toxicology only reported a mixture of various drugs.
You know what…you seem to really enjoy weighing in on threads about celebrities and tragic deaths here, speculating on and on about what you think might have happened with limited information (and little knowledge on your part). You seem to get off on making guesses and spreading rumors about tragedies.
In this case, you repeatedly threw around the term “drug binge,” until enough people finally called you out on it.
Honestly, it is really not a good look for you.
I intended no offense. I was only commenting on well referenced news reports.
Celebrity deaths have been a part of my life since grade school. Janis Joplin, Hendrix, Elvis the list goes on and on. The dark side of celebrity fame has always been a source of conversation with my friends.
I didn’t realize Taylor would be any different. Now I now to avoid the subject on this board.
And breathlessly speculating about what might have happened, based on early news reports (which often wind up being inaccurate or incomplete, when more information comes to light).
I get it, these things fascinate you, but your posts in these kinds of threads can wind up reading like something from a gossip columnist.
I’ll try to do better.
@aceplace57: I have to ask – are you a fan of the Foo Fighters? Did you have any idea who Taylor Hawkins was before this past Friday?
I like some of the Foo Fighters material. I’m familar with the band. I’ve learned a couple songs. Everlong is my favorite. Dave is a excellent guitarist and his songs are difficult to learn. Lot of barre chords.
I’ve heard Taylor and Dave are the only drummers that appear on Foo Fighters albums. Dave trusted Taylor to play it right. That’s high praise coming from another drummer like Dave.
I’m not a big fan. I do appreciate their music.
I’m glad to hear that, and that your posts weren’t just about a celebrity death.
Coroners don’t change a cause of death to ‘spare the family’.
Just so you understand what you’re doing. You could stop taking your prescription tramadol right now, get into a fatal car accident the day after tomorrow and you’ll show opioids in your system. Would you be comfortable with the world believing you went on a ‘drug binge’ and got killed? I mean, between the opioids in your system and the bottle of wine the officer noticed in your kitchen, seems like an open and shut case. You got got high and drunk and got yourself killed.
Or, if you’re of the ‘I’d be dead, I don’t care’ persuasuion, pretend like it was your wife/SO/close friend and you have to hear the world immediately assuming they were a junkie?
Well, yes, yes it is. As of right now this thread has 944 views. I’m not sure how loud you are at a restaurant, but I don’t think I’ve ever spoken loud enough for more than, say, 10 people outside my party could hear me. Certainly not hundreds of people.
I’m can’t fathom why you think talking to someone in a restaurant is no different than publishing something on a publicly available, google indexed message board. As stated earlier, a family member searching the internet for his name could easily end up here.
And that’s what you need to understand. Just because something is related to drugs, doesn’t mean the person over dosed. Plus, in this case, you don’t even know that it was drug related. Might be, might not be.
Celebrity deaths have been a part of everyone’s life since grade school. That’s not unique.
You don’t have to avoid the subject of Taylor, you have to understand that you can’t make things up and spew them as if they’re truth just because you assume they are. You have to learn that you can’t take a source, extrapolate from it and then cite the source as proof your extrapolation is correct. Once you state something that’s not in the source material, you no longer have a cite. It’s not opinion and should be stated as such to avoid confusion.
The funny thing is, all you had to do was preface some of your statements with “I assume” or “I think” or “I’m guessing”. People may have pushed back, but not nearly as hard.
For example, in the Tom Petty thread about his death, I said “I’m willing to bet he still does a bit of coke here and there” and WRT to how quickly he deteriorated “I have to wonder if there was already something going on”. In the Prince thread I made similar “I think” or “I’m guessing” comments.
I always try to make it very clear that these are MY thoughts, they are not facts to be repeated as such.
But he’s a better drummer.
I don’t recall all the details, but I remember Dave saying that when he first put the band together, they had a different drummer. Dave kept finding himself back in the studio after hours re-recording the drum sections. Not because the drummer was bad, but because he knew he could do it better. At some point he realized that he can’t spend his career like that and found a new drummer.
I don’t remember where I picked that up, but it was probably Back and Forth.
Also, FWIW, I’m only a casual listener of FF. I have this odd (though it seems like I’m not alone) connection with them in that I enjoy the music, but not enough to seek it out, so I only know a handful of their most popular songs/videos. But I could listen to him talk all day long so I’ve seen a lot of interviews and documentaries about them.
On the first Foo Fighters album, Grohl did almost everything himself. When he subsequently went to tour as Foo Fighters, he hired a couple of additional musicians, who also worked on the band’s second album. The drummer Grohl had hired quit during production of that album, and Grohl then did indeed redo most of the drum work for that album himself, before hiring Hawkins.
I messed up with my original post. Joey_p is correct that I should have made it clear it was my own speculation and opinion.
I read too much into a fairly vague news report. I took it too literally.
Again, my apologies.
Music is one of my biggest passions. I’ve spent a lifetime playing various instruments and listening to recordings. I’m constantly amazed at the talent and skill of professional musicians.
William Goldsmith was/is an excellent drummer. The core of the problem is that his style and technique didn’t 100% mirror what was in Dave’s head. Even after Dave decided to redo all the parts, he still meant to keep him on as the touring drummer. William didn’t like that deal and quit.
Goldsmith stated that while he enjoyed the smaller venues, “pretty much everything after that blew,” saying that as the band got bigger “it turned into a world-domination thing that became really creatively stifling” and he grew tired of reproducing songs he had no input composing. Goldsmith also developed carpal tunnel syndrome after the tour.
After touring through the spring of 1996, the full lineup entered a Seattle studio with producer Gil Norton to record the band’s second album. It was an arduous and mostly frustrating process for Goldsmith due to Grohl’s perfectionism, which led the drummer performing his tracks over and over. "Dave had me do 96 takes of one song, and I had to do thirteen hours’ worth of takes on another one. It just seemed that everything I did wasn’t good enough for him, or anyone else."With the sessions nearly complete, the band took a break. According to Grohl, Goldsmith’s drumming had good moments, but for the most part his performances were not to Grohl’s standards. The band regrouped in Los Angeles in February 1997 and practically re-recorded the album—this time with Grohl on drums—without informing Goldsmith about the overdub session. Goldsmith only later learned his contribution was being replaced from Mendel. Feeling betrayed, and unhappy with Grohl’s suggestion he continued on as the band’s touring drummer only, Goldsmith decided to leave the band.