Yes! Let’s bring back slavery, kill all the remaining Indians, and ignore everyone with a vagina. Oh yeah, and give rights only the landed gentry. Because these were the ideals that the Founding Fathers trumpeted, being the aristocractic, elitists of their times.
The Founding Fathers were not the most intelligent men to live. If they had been, they would have been much better at defining “We the People”. If you put Thomas Jefferson in the White House right now, the “most intelligent man to live” would be stark raving mad at all the equality and freedom up and through this place right now–expanded in ways he and his peers had never envisioned.
Conservatives always harken to the “good ole days”. There were no “good ole days”, especially during the time when the Founding Fathers were drawing up the constitution. As far as I’m concerned, we didn’t start making progress until the 60s, when the Civil Rights Act was enacted. Before that moment, enlightenment had yet to reach most Americans.
When the Tea Partiers start looking forward instead of backwards, maybe their image will be more favorable and ya’ll won’t get laughed off the stage when you show up with your “Obamunism” and “I want my country back!” posters.
I pointed this out too, but since this thread, and SD in general, tends toward being an extreme left-wing circle jerk, nobody is going to address it. If you’re a Republican, or centrist-Democrat (like me), you tend to be either shouted down, derided, or ignored when the topic is even remotely political.
Some posters here at the SDMB always give all the benefit of the doubt possible and then some to conservative interpretations of things. But I think on this one, there is no way to reconcile with the facts that conservatives used tea bagger first, claimed it, and that their use was a dominance use and a sexual dominance use.
If you went back and looked at each instance, you would also probably agree that many of the early uses included sexual dominance because of the way the users were smirking, etc.
But if you think otherwise, perhaps some links backing you up would be in order.
No, the donkey and elephant motif go back to a cartoonist named Nast. http://www.c-span.org/questions/week174.htm The donkey was supposed to be stubborn and the elephant stupid. And donkey’s are a separate species from horses. Nast used them first.
By the way, how come you never insult conservatives casually the same way you insult Democrats like “Horse’s Ass”?
Disclaimers are always helpful. Let me just select out two portions of your unsubstantiated rant.
Obama has faced the stiffest opposition of any President in the past 100 years. Put another way, the Republican Congressmen have adopted a 100% obstructionist position. Evidence: Filibusters are at a record level, a slap in the face of congressional tradition. Not a single Republican voted for the stimulus package and only 1 Republican Senator even half-seriously negotiated with the Democrats for health care reform.
Despite that, it seems that Obama will have 2 pieces of major legislative accomplishments under his belt by Feb 28, barely a year after coming into office. By any measure, Obama has been an effective leader. And let’s face it, handing out tax cuts is a lot easier than seriously crafting legislation to address actual policy challenges.
“Junk Science”: that CO2 heats the atmosphere isn’t especially controversial. Where scientists differ is in the details of the dose-response relationship: they have to sort through a number of offsetting and intensifying effects. But there have been two major evaluations done by diverse groups of scientists and both have supported an anthropic effect.
I’m not new here, but appreciate your welcome nonetheless, and hope it is genuine. As far as the “detectors” comment, nothing I’ve posted has been disingenuous.
Maybe I’m misinterpreting the comment, but my skin is thin, after being accused of not being a real Democrat because I don’t believe that capitalism, killing terrorists, and fiscal restraint are evil concepts, and I’m not ashamed of my country, the great satan that it is.
Having spent more than a little time on SD, I’m left with the impression that to be received as a “real” Democrat, I should be out prancing down the street in a pair of ass-less chaps, waving a rainbow flag, on my way to a PETA or Obama rally.
(3) Here, allow me to help you keep up with the real world…
(1) Yeah, we know. See… we live in the real world. After many, many months of the teabagger movement and three pages of this thread we are already well aware of this. But thank you for sharing. Can you draw us a picture too? Here are some crayons and construction paper.
(2) You sure about that? Cause your wife… nah, way to easy.
Run along, Jack. Unless you want to take me up on my offer.
Obama’s been an effective caretaker. I haven’t seen much if any leadership. Let’s not kid ourselves, the “real” leader of the party is Pelosi, and trust me when I tell you that Democrats in the heartland and the south aren’t thrilled with that fact. She’s an elitist who doesn’t make any effort to conceal it.
I’m not the only person unhappy here. 1yr in, Obama has some of the lowest approval ratings since ratings began being recorded. Massachusetts speaks volumes. We’re going to lose Ted Freakin’ Kennedy’s seat in a state that hasn’t had a Republican Senator since something like World War I. When Democrats won’t vote for a Democrat, it should be a wakeup call.
On the issues Americans said are most important to them, and with control of both the House and Senate, Obama has failed to deliver results. Where is the healthcare reform for the working poor, and lower middle class? Where is the bailout for main street small business? Where is the help for homeowners. Passing legislation does not equate to achieving results.
The only thing I’ve actually seen is “Cash for Clunkers” and a bunch of signs along the highway declaring that someday in the future, there will be “shovel ready jobs” construction being done here. So far, though we just have sign ready jobs.
There has been no change. A year into office, and the insurance companies, Wall Street, Detroit, and big labor, are the only winners.
I’m very disappointed that, with control of the Oval Office, the House, and the Senate, my party can’t manage to do anything more than shovel money to fat cats, and piss people off. We’re squandering our majority, and we’re going to lose a shitload of seats this year. Our window of opportunity is closing fast.
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Trust me when I tell you that you are simply bitching based on nothing. The list of Obama’s accomplishments can stand up to any first year president. Never mind that he is doing it in the shadow of the ineptitude of the Bush administration.
Like Reagan’s first year popularity? The Mass. situation is about people being upset with the economy, a terribly run campaign and a popular outsider. There is no higher meaning.
It’s in the house. Are you a complete retard? Have you even been watching a little? When all, repeat all Republicans are unwilling to even think about voting for it and are focused on obstructing and delaying at all costs, you need every single Dem vote. Did you see how hard it was to get these votes in the senate. Fuck you’re just a moron.
The stimulus included tax cuts for small business.
Stimulus money has already been spent and is expected to flow out through this year. Don’t you think if it was frontloaded that would have been stupid?
Wall street reforms are currently going through congress.
You’re wrong. With record filibusters you need 60 votes to do anything. And the Republicans are voting as a monolithic block. If a group of 40 people can be convinced to hurt the country for their own profit that’s enough to slow us down. The fact that all 60 Dems got on board was a miracle, not a foregone conclusion.
In fact according to Wikipedia, Obama’s current rating is higher than any lowest rating for any past president for whom polls have been taken. His low point rating is within the margin of error of any preceding low point for any predecessor’s low point.
Your assertion isn’t factual in any respect.
Obama has taken a beating in approval from his supporters over health care. I am included in my deep disappointment. But even I know he hasn’t got the Congressional votes for anything more.
As for Pelosi being an elitist, she is the most powerful FDR Democrat in Congress almost as much as the less powerful and known George Miller. The charge of being an “elitist” is bogus. She is among the most liberal and least elitist members of Congress. Yes, Dennis Kucinich and George Miller are to her left, but not by much.
I’ve been reading these forums for years. I’m self-employed now and have, unfortunately, enough time on my hands that I can post and attempt to keep up with a thread. While I may be new to you, you’re not new to me.
Exactly my point. The only possible definition of Democrat is yours and yours alone. Since when are concepts like fiscal responsibility and free market economics the sole intellectual property of the Republicans? As a Democrat, I’m not “allowed” to want a real healthcare bill, versus some watered down insurance industry serving garbage? Because I believe that murdering a GLBT is equally evil, no more or less, than murdering a WASP?
I’m tired of the left-most end of the party deciding who qualifies as a Democrat and defining the party’s agenda. The vast majority of us don’t wear Che t-shirts and live in San Francisco.
The current president and the previous Democratic president were quite moderate. Your assertions that the left-most end of the party has had anything to do with anything are laughable. As are you.
