This is the basic tenet on which I think we’re going to have to agree to disagree. I think that, on her own time, she should be able to act just like anyone else, regardless of her chosen profession. Then again, I don’t think anyone should be held accountable as role models for their kids except their parents. Not actors, not pop stars, not teachers, not bus drivers. Parents.
And apart from the fact that there were teachers involved in this incident and the one involving the underage drinking, I don’t see how you can relate the two. They’re so far apart in circumstance that any correlation between them is tenuous at best.
These two incidents aren’t even REMOTELY comparable. One involves a woman who drinks a bit too much on her own time. The incident affects nobody at all. It’s stupid, that’s all. And not even very stupid. Your thread is about a woman who did something that was definitely illegal (serving alcohol to minors) and potentially dangerous. If someone hadn’t been an ass and decided this was an issue, I don’t think anyone would know. And yes, I do think that matters. This notion that people’s actions in private somehow effect what they do on the job in a totally different situation is ludicrous to me.
As far as the other thread goes, I compare the two only in the sense that the two situations showed a lack of common sense and a display of poor judgement. Characteristics that I would want in a teacher.
Marley, if you`ll recall in the other thread, there were a plethora of posters who defended the teacher. Some to the extent that she did absolutely nothing wrong.
Dante, your world is not the world we live in. People judge. Kids look up to people other than their parents. It would be nice if we lived in your world where all parents were perfect and all parents were role models. We don`t.
Peoples actions in private dont effect their job per say. Their actions in private effect how other people view these persons. Its the world we live in. Some of these people, who hold certain positions in society, cant have other people looking down at them in a negative light. Teachers, I assert, are one of those positions.
I don’t follow you. The closest role model a child has is his/her parent. If pictures of a mom flashing her jubblies get exposure…should her kids be taken away? Should she have to pay some sort of fine?
Legalities and harming of children arent even part of this debate. Just because something is legal doesnt mean you should do it.
I don`t think adultery is illegal.
beagledave, not every child has their parents as role models.
Should, but dont. I already stated what should happen to the teacher, short suspension and an apology letter, at worst. However, after re-reading the story, I think shes been through enough.
Parents are the ultimate role models for children. Therefore, you must be 100% in favor of Child Welfare “experts” going out without cause or accusation and meddling in all parents’ lives, since the most important role models must be held to the highest standards.
Welcome to the new Apparat, Comrade. Individual rights and all privacy must be obliterated, for the sake of the children.
She was at an adult party and had a few too many to drink. What if she were a school bus driver? A Girl Scout leader? A church organist? An attorney? An executive secretary? A hotel maid? A fast food worker? A toll booth collector? When does the job start and stop?
As long as she is doing nothing illegal, what she does off the clock is NO ONE’s business.
Was there a morals clause in her contract? I don’t know what you can get away with them, but there are jobs that restrict legal behaviour such as law enforcement. Personally, I think that what she did was not appropriate as well as stupid because she was a teacher. I’m sure that if she remains a teacher that she will be much more careful about flashing her breasts for photos while drunk.
By that logic if a teacher commits adultery you would favour them being punished at work? What about teachers who, say, smoke? Eat fast food? Use bad language? Should they face sanctions if news of what they did in a private party reaches the board of governors? What if they slept around in college? that would be a bad example to set the kids, so what if it were to get out?
Exactly how much of teacher’s lives do you want to own for the pittance they are paid?
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I’m not even gonna bother mentioning the fact that it is only a pair of breasts, and this time without the connotations of sexual violence that accompanied the nipplegate thing, or whatever you wanna call it, since it seems that across wide swathes of the US breasts are seen as the root of all evil. Hell, kids are breastfed up till the age of two, can see films with breasts from the age of 17, but if they see them at any time in the intervening 15 year window they will be irrevocably damaged?
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One time a home video of my nephew’s kindergarten teacher surfaced, in which the teacher was brushing his teeth. He squoze the tube from the MIDDLE, and when he was done he didn’t floss.
The school board took him out back and beat him to death with a shovel. He was asking for it.
I have offended you before and have no wish to do it again. But I would like to respectfully ask what you consider immoral about a woman at a private party for adults displaying her breasts. Are breasts immoral? Is displaying them immoral?
Uncommon Sense: Same question.
I am willing to bet that if the person who took the pictures and distributed them can be identified, he or she will be paying the teacher a good bit of money. Not to mention the school district. IMHO
