This country has gone nucking futs.
We have way too many Chicken Littles running around sceaming that the sky is falling.
People need to lighten up and have fun again. Hurry up and legalize pot, the country is in dire need.
Did anyone else see the origan link as WTFTV
Oh, and pretend you see ‘al’ and a ‘?’.
He certainly was. After all, when you signup to be one of the Role Model Professions, you sign the I Will Live Like A Nun contract where it specifically says you must go to work, come home, eat a wholesome meal, pray to Jesus (though the DAYUMNED LIB’RALS ARE GONNA TAKE THAT WAY!!!), and be in bed before 10pm.
I just wish that this whole “Show us your boobs!” thing would f’ing stop. I don’t care what this woman does for a living; I’m frustrated that any woman at all gives in to what Ms. Cherry called “teasing”.
Why did she “gotta” show anything, or do anything, just because people were hooting and yelling? I don’t like this at all. It can, and has, led to women being further “teased” to show what kind of panties they’re wearing. And from there, “C’monnnnnnnnnn…let’s go in the back room/out to my van/into the john…Nothin’s gonna happen!” And from there, “But she waaaaaaaaaaanted it! Besides, she showed her tits to the whole bar!”
There was a time when decent men didn’t expect this kind of display anyplace except a strip club, which is different, because the women there know what they’re doing, and there are bouncers ready to escort out any men who try to cross the line. Now, men almost think it’s their right to be flashed, and women think they’ll be poor sports if they don’t comply. I mean, you don’t wanna be uptight, do you? Look at all the attention those other women are getting!
And yes, I know that I was among the “For gosh sakes, it’s just a boob!” crowd after the Super Bowl. But that was when I thought it genuinely was a “malfunction”. And even if Ms. Jackson’s exposure was intentional, it still wasn’t the same situation as this. I don’t like the idea of a drunk woman being surrounded by drunken men all shouting “Take it off! Take it off!” It’s crude, it’s trashy, and there’s a definite undercurrent of menace. What if she’d said no? Would they have backed down? I somehow doubt it.
I’m dismayed that anyone could think that this is proper, normal behaviour. I wouldn’t want my girlfriend, wife, mother, sister, or friend doing it. I wouldn’t want my friend, brother, or father dropping his pants when he got loaded either. I wouldn’t want educators of grade school children doing it either. I don’t think that it should be illegal. And if there isn’t a morals clause, then she shouldn’t be fired.
BTW I’ve done things that are immoral (worse than this lady showing her tits for sure). I don’t play a denial game about them. But I am honest about it. And I realize that if pictures of some of those activities were circulated and I was a grade school teacher, then school officials and parents would be upset.
I’m pretty liberal on sexuality. I have no problems with gay marriage. None with interracial marriage. None with living out of wedlock. I do have problems (believe that it’s immoral) with infidelity, threesomes (moresomes), open sexually related activity in groups (flashing one’s breasts when drunk), prostitution, exotic dancing, giving it up real easy, minors having sex, etc. Of course, I don’t think that any of this warrants illegality with the exception of activities taking place in public.
Rilchiam, I think you may be reading a lot of urban nightmare into a story with pretty sketchy details.
That’s about all we’ve got; maybe she was pressured and “gang-rape” was the unspoken word of the day, or maybe her friends (this was a private party) know she’s got a healthy exhibitionist streak and enjoys showing a body she’s proud of. Impossible to tell from the evidence we’ve got here. For that matter, it could have been a girls’ night out; nothing indicates the gender of the other attendees.
By the way, sometime in the last few hours (since I made my previous post) the offending picture was removed from the linked article. Glad they took it down; it wasn’t doing much for their journalistic credibility, I thought.
Regarding flashing in general, I agree with you completely. Jesus… they’re gonna drum me out of college and take away my man card for saying that. Regarding this case, though, there is no way this kind of punishment for a harmless act can be justified. Celebrities and politicians get paid a great deal of money to live in a fishbowl and be good “role models”. Teachers (like firefighters and police officers) get paid the lint left in state legislators’ pockets after everything else is paid for.
While I’m not certain that Rilchiam’s perception of the menace in this situation is correct, she does make some astute comments on “mob mentality” and popular society. How many people are disgusted by the common displays on Jerry Springer? I believe the women feel pressured to flash the camera, those women who do say “no” are riduculed. Combined with things like “Girls Gone Wild”, I can see where she’s getting her ideas, even if I don’t quite see such menace in the case the OP presents.
And how are we supposed to know what it means “give it up real easy”?
How long must one know someone before “giving it up”?
All right, I admit that I didn’t use the most precise terms, but I was talking about booby-flashing in general, not just in this instance. I said “this whole thing” and “any woman at all”, meaning the activity and women who participate in it; I said “it can and has” when outlining a potential gang-rape scenario, not “She’s lucky it didn’t”. I stand by my post, while clarifying that I was talking about society in general, not Ms. Cherry’s situation.
But as far as her specific situation, well, look what did happen to her. She gave in to peer pressure, and now she’s out of a job. Women have got to stop letting themselves get pushed around.
And who’s doing the “giving up”? The man, the woman, or both? Don’t tell me this is a repeat of the old “Woman who has sex on the first date is a slut”, because if it is, let me remind you that if she had sex on the first date, so did the man.
Rilchiam, those questions were aimed at Machetero. He ( she?) posted a few post before my post and I wanted him ( her?) to clarify what “giving it up easy” was.
I was not passing judgement on anyone who chooses to have sex with any other adult as long as they are both in agreement.
I think this country needs an enema. There ain’t nothing wrong with a flash of boobs in any context.
But then again, I come from Quebec, where the Sunday ritual is to sit down in front of the TV with your kids just * after* the car show ends, and watch Fashion TV in hopes of catching some boobie flashing.
misstee, I knew who you were talking to. I was following up on your questions and likewise addressing them to Mach5 or whatever hir name is.
But Good Grief, do those of you who condemn the teachers behavior think that your moral values are determinative? So Machetero is against threesomes, I am against (well I don’t know what I am against) but both judgements are simply value judgements. They are subjective and not absolute right or wrong. The teacher in question can not be expected to be a “role model” 24/7. Is it not enough that she is while teaching. What business is it of ours how she spends her free time? (caveat-unless it is potentially harmfull to her students) In this case if it was not for the vindictive ass who distributed the pictures no one would have known about the incident.
What is all this talk about hostile situations, and rape? The teacher never suggested that it was anything other than just having fun. She made no suggestion that anyone pressured her.
This all seems silly when you consider that young men and women are dying every day for what may turn out to be dubious reasons in Iraq, Afganistan and now Haiti. (Not political, I said may turn out to be dubious) Is a womans breast really so offensive that we have to get all up in arms when one is exposed? Whether its at the SuperBowl or some local bar, does it really matter?
Sighhhhhhhh…Again, I was talking about the fact that booby-flashing is becoming so prevalent that we’re getting to the point where a woman is an oddball if she doesn’t want to lift her shirt. I did not say that Ms. Cherry was in danger of being raped, just that this scenario can turn ugly. But Ms. Cherry did state that people were “teasing” her and that she concluded “you gotta show something”. That sounds like pressure to me.
A breast is not offensive in and of itself. But to me, “Girls Gone Wild” situations damn well are offensive.
Public in the sense that her fellow teachers and upset parents would hear it.
A private party? Not so private anymore is it? She posed for the pictures.
Lessee, pictures get printed, they get shared, they get scanned, they get posted on the WWW.
What if she let a bunch of drunk guys screw her and pictures were taken? Still not illegal. Immoral to a higher degree, yes.
Ok, here`s the deal. If you think people should be able to do whatever they want whenever they want without any repercussions from their peers then I have the right to criticize said behavior and decide wheather or not said person should have an influence in my life, or my childs life.
You also asked if displaying breasts was immoral. In the proper context, no, of course not.
In your world women would walk around all day with their tops off. In my world I would like to see a little discretion used and the values of my fellow citizens taken into account. Knowing that I face a classroom of little kids everyday would probably weigh in on my decisions that I make on the weekends, at least subliminally.
And all you asshats that are overreacting (jackelope, et al). Try not to put words into my mouth. Also, try to consider why it made the news to begin with, someone or somepeople were bothered by the photos of one of their own teachers acting in such a manner. It does bother people wether you want to admit it or not. I dont think you can brush that off so easily. It is not the end of the world, its not even the end of the day for that matter. Im just stating the facts. Not everyone can act the same way in public and get away with it. Maybe thats wrong but its the truth. I bet if you polled a thousand teachers youd have a majority of them agree with this. They`re public figures, they teach our kids, they have a role in society, they know this.
I asked Mrs. Kunilou about this last night. For those of you who don’t know, Mrs. Kunilou has been teaching at the elementary and middle school levels for more than 30 years. She was also a teacher’s union rep, so she’s not what you’d call pro-administration all the time.
Her response – “I don’t know.”
On the one hand, a teacher ought to be able to flash her boobies in an adult setting. On the other hand, a teacher ought to be smart enough to know there are cameras at a party, and where there’s a camera, there’s likely to be photographs, which not only get in the hands of the administration, but which also can get in the hands of the students.
It may be one of those things that wasn’t really her fault, but she’s going to have to take the responsibility (or blame) for it.