Tell me about "Christmas ghost stories"

I, like most Americans, for many years pondered over the line in “It’s the Most Wonderful Time of the Year” where Andy Williams promises us that, among other things, “there’ll be scary ghost stories”.

Thanks to a thread here on the Dope a few years back, I finally learned that the telling of ghost stories at Christmastime is apparently an old tradition in England which goes back at least to the early 19th century. Since it’s that time of year, I figured i’d ask our British residents a couple questions about the tradition;

  1. Why Christmas? I know England doesn’t have a scary-autumn-holiday tradition like Halloween or the Day of the Dead, but Christmas and the winter solistice are generally considered to be occasions of rebirth and renewal, and most modern Christmas traditions are about peace, togetherness, and charity. “Vengeful spirits returning to torment the living” doesn’t seem to gibe with that. I can see how it being the coldest and darkest time of the year would lend to a scary mise-en-scene, but that could just as well go for New Year’s, or Epiphany, or St. Swyven’s Day.

  2. Is the tradition still relevant? Do you still sit around with friends or family or co-workers and try to scare each other, or did it go out of fashion with caroling and sleigh rides? I know lots of TV shows in Britain do special stuff for Christmas Day - are scary stories part of that?

  3. Are there any particular “stock” stories that most people know, like “the madman with a hook hand” or “Killer in the back seat” or “Then who was phone?” Care to share one?

“A Christmas Carol” from Dickens is a little known work with ghosts… not many folks know about it, and there might be an obscure movie or two… :wink:

Brit here. I hate to disappoint you, but apart from A Christmas Carol, I know of no other Christmas ghost story, and have never heard of the tradition. Suspect it died out a long time ago.

The BBC used to run a series of ghost stories every christmas. They restarted in 2005 but it’s on BBC4 at about 1am so you may have missed them!

There always seems to be a new Christmas ghost story on TV over Christmas, but this tradition seems to have mostly died out.

Awareness of the tradition apparently still lingered among British entertainment writers as recently as three years ago:

Hmm, make that as recently as last year:

I get the impression that jjimm doesn’t watch BBC that much, at least in December, because they seem to be fairly active in maintaining this tradition.

I know that Dickens’ story was considered original and stunning because it was a Christmas story w/ghosts, so I doubt there was ever a tradition of telling them… I always took the lyric to refer be an allusion to A Christmas Carol. Or if there is a tradition, it started there.

You want a scary* Christmas story? Here you go…

*Warning: may be completely not scary.

British author M. R. James wrote most of his ghost stories as “Christmas Eve entertainments and read aloud to friends”

I believe that Washington Irving talks about British Christmas ghost stories in the English Christmas entries in The Sketch Book of Geoffrey Crayon (which preceded Charles Dickens’ A Christmas Carol, and undoubtedly influenced it).

Dickens himself wrote four more Christmas books to follow up A Christmas Carol, but they weren’t as popular, or as good (I love the original Carol, but working through these other Christmas books was a real struggle). The last of these was The Man who Haunted Himself, which is arguably another Christmas ghost story (although in modern science fiction terminology, it’s more like a man who goes back in time to reform his original self).

Don’t forget this scary* Christmas ghost story.
*If you scare very easily.

There’s The Water Ghost of Harrowby Hall which was written in 1894, and seems to fit the bill.

Interesting reading with the Irving/Dickens connection. Dickens actually got the idea from Irving. If a Brit had to learn about a British tradition from an American author, it must not have been a tradition. However it seems winter nights around the fire were good times to tell ghost stories; the association with Christmas is incidental but inevitable.

The story I’d read about Dickens was that he was writing a Christmas story for quick cash and wanted to make it morbid because he was feeling rather Scroogish himself about some of the Christmas treacle he was seeing. Still a good story, if wildly exaggerated.

Canadian author Robertson Davies wrote a series of ghost stories for Christmas, collected in the book High Spirits. If I remember correctly, the book includes an introduction which discusses the custom of telling ghost stories for Christmas.

*Definitely * not true. Dickens fell in love with his story, and lavished extra care on it, making sure that it was published with colored illustrations and other extras. If he was only out after a quick buck, he would’ve skimped on the production values. But they were first-rate. Read the introduction notes to The Annotated Christmas Carol.

I also wouldn’t believe that Dickens was only “out to make a quick buck” – the character and quality of the writing wouldn’t support that. Also, Dickens makes several impassioned arguments about the plight of the poor in his work – not general sayings that “we ought to remember them at this time of year”, but some specific attacks on particular issues. He definitely wanted this to make a point, and stick. His writing in those parts was arguably intently “morbid”, but it was for a purpose, not merely to be “anti-treacle”.

He may have agreed to do the story with the mind of some urgent need for money – he had four kids and had just learned a fifth was on the way – but that doesn’t mean he didn’t get invested in the story or intend to instill it with his usual values.

Well that is true, I don’t really watch TV. But I did when I was younger. I’m truly amazed that I’ve missed this through 20-something years of British education, friends, family etc. But I see that I have, so I withdraw my first comment.

According to The Annotated Christmas Carol, yes, exaggerated. To restate and add to what CalMeacham posted, Dickens had been thinking of a story to call attention to social issues such as child labor. The sales of his last book, Martin Chuzzlewit, were poor, and his publishers wanted to reduce the monthly payments he had been receiving. This prompted him to essentially publish CC himself, dealing directly with printers, thinking he would eliminate the middleman and realize greater profits. This is something like an inexperienced person acting as general contractor on work on his own house, and Dickens got screwed. He contributed to this by insisting on expensive binding and finishing and a selling price low enough to be available to as many people as possible but which reduced his profit margin. As for treacle, others described Dickens as the most festive person, even though he did not drink.

And as for being “morbid”, Dickens did that deliberately to make the katharsis you experience at seeing Scrooge reformed and delivered from his fate that much greater. In his hands it isn’t a cheap gimmick but a necessary element of a masterpiece.

I don’t know that he created the tradition, but I worked on the pb edition of this book years ago, and it certainly indicates something of a trend:

Much of our modern Christmas is owed to the Victorians and although the Christmas Ghost Story was popular in that period, I believe it is the remnant of something older. Dickens was also a magazine publisher and his Christmas edition of ‘All the Year Round’ was packed full of ghost stories, by people such as Wilkie Collins. It was also by far the best selling edition of the magazine.

Dickens wrote lots of short Ghost Stories, one called Christmas Ghosts may give us an idea of what was going on in peoples homes at the time:
‘I like to come home at Christmas. …There is probably a smell of roasted chestnuts and other good comfortable things all the time, for we are telling Winter Stories – Ghost Stories, or more shame for us – round the Christmas fire; and we have never stirred, except to draw a little nearer to it.’

From the end of the 19th century, the antiquarian MR James told ghost stories to his friends and students at Cambridge University on Christmas Eve. These were published later on and are among the best ghost stories ever written. In the 1970’s they were adapted for television and shown at Christmas. In 2005 there was a resurgence of interest on the 70th anniversary of James’s death and some more were adapted.

Most people now only experience the tradition through the tv screen. This year none of these stories are being repeated but we have some classic horror films instead.

The tradition of ghost story telling in midwinter is older than Dickens, but an oral tradition among common folk leaves little trace. Certainly in 1725 the clergyman Henry Bourne complained that ‘nothing is commoner in country places, than for a whole family in a winters evening, to sit round the fire and tell stories of apparitions and ghosts’. Tudor plays (incl Shakespeare) set or commissioned for the 12 days of Xmas have references to ghosts - such as A Winters Tale. In modern times Christmas may be togetherness and charity, but this is recent, back then Christmas was Magic and when the unacceptable became acceptable. Lord of Misrule, boy bishops, Lords and Ladies waiting on their servants, and that big ‘other’: the supernatural. Don’t think vengeful spirits tormenting the living, think thrilling and delightfully chilling.

There are hints too that the beliefs of Saxons and Viking who started arriving in Britain from the 5th century onward believed that the Yule season was filled with supernatural beings. Odin rode his weird horse Sleipnir across the sky leading dead warriors in the Wild Hunt on a mid winter night, gathering the souls of the dead.

Other cultures outside of Britain have supernatural associations with Christmas, pre Christian but some have lasted. The otherside of ghosts is in remembering those that have passed: some cultures lay an extra space at the festive table. The Romans had a small feast for the Lares - the spirits of the ancestors in the household cult, around the time of the Saturnalia.

Mid winter isn’t just right for ghost stories with its long nights, the solstice itself is not so much a rebirth but the triumph of light over darkness - the supernatural and ghosts and other monsters are representatives of that darkness. Christianity adopted the solstice because it was such a popular feast and subsumed some of the pagan traditions, it is likely the supernatural was one of those elements.

The tradition in Britain is frail and fading, without the indulgence of television it might be gone and that would be a shame. Although I know of some who relish it so much they would hate for that to happen, I am very fond of it, so much so I sell Christmas Ghost Story festive cards! And popular they are too (to certain people).

You can watch some of the tv plays on you tube, - YouTube is a recent one called Number 13. This is the first one made called Oh Whistle and I’ll come to you: - YouTube.

Very cheap editions of MR James collected works are available and I recommend them if you fancy indulging.

One thing though, the British DO have autumnal feasts as well. As a Christian country it celebrated Halloween for centuries, as the feast before All Saints (look up Soul Cakes). It it did decline though, until recently but it was a traditional feast with turnips rather than pumpkins carved into Jack o’lanterns. There are records in folk studies of what people got up to. The British also had Mischief Night and later Guy Fawkes Night (5th November), which are in some ways interchangeable and these became more popular than Halloween probably post reformation of the church.

Most people think that Samhain, the old Irish feast in autumn is the origin of Halloween but it is only really known from later medieval texts as contemporary evidence is mostly lacking. The original feast appears to have very little supernatural to it at all. Have a look at Ronald Huttons Stations of the Sun Amazon.com : ronald hutton's stations of the sun or here for another source: http://www.wyrdwords.vispa.com/halloween/history/index.html

Many academics assert that Halloween is definitely Christian but I believe there* is* an earlier pagan source for the spookiness. The original date for All Saints was 13th May, the original date for all Souls was 21st February. These dates were in the ancient Roman calendar the dates for 2 festivals of the dead, one in Feb was for your ancestors, the other was for the wandering dead which you wanted to drive from your home. The early Roman and Celtic churches were well aware of this and it is no coincidence that these dates were chosen. The first was moved to the 1st Nov by Pope Gregory III, the other was reconciled to it and given the 2nd Nov, meanwhile it seems the ghosts went too.