Tell me ALMOST all about cell phone jammers

ok, with the approval of the Powers That Be ™, here is a second take on this matter.

First thing I heard of cell phone jammers was reading about churches smuggling them into the country a long time ago. Then they just popped up in the Boss-in-prison thread.

What’s the SD on these?

Are there people using it legally in the US (government, maybe)? Why are they illegal/restricted? Are they legal elsewhere? How big/energy demanding/EMF disturbing are they?

Are there alternatives? Could you effectively and inconspicuously include a Faraday Cage in a building structure (church, theater)? Would this be legal?

Where they are legal (or if you had a Faraday cage), are there signs alerting people about them so that they don’t miss that all important call?

What’s the issue with liabilities (if someone is robbed/has a heart attack and can’t call for help)?

As a self-hijack: My fantasy was to have one with a fairly large range mounted in my car (since most driving stupidity seems to come from phoning drivers). My wife insists it would be worse as drivers would then be busy punching buttons like crazy instead of just happily taking. What do you think? :slight_smile:

Most? :dubious:

I’m with your wife on this one. You would most likly be surrounded by irrate cell phone addicts trying to figure out why they lost their signal. Surely mehem and death will follow. :smiley:

Since a Farday cage is a passive device I don’t see why this would not be legal.

That and futzing with the radio…

The FCC sets up frequency allocations for all sorts of things like broadcast TV, AM and FM radio transmission, radio frequency door openers, cordless phones, etc. Interfering with any communication type is illegal. This is not something that is unique to cell phones.

Generally speaking, government facilities which contain classified information do not allow the operation of cell phones in the area, and are permitted to use cell phone jamming devices.

Cell phone jamming (and any other type of signal jamming for that matter) isn’t exactly rocket science. You find the frequencies the device works on and broadcast out noise on the same frequency so that the receiver can’t get any intelligable signal. Cell phones operate at fairly low power, so if you are close to where the cell phone is operating, you don’t need too strong of a signal to jam it. The farther away you are, the stronger your jamming signal needs to be.

A lot of structures make natural faraday cages. Any steel frame building forms a natural (if slightly leaky) faraday cage. There is no requirement in construction that demands that a cell phone must work in all areas inside a building.

You can make your own faraday cage very easily by just stapling metal screen to the walls. Commercial faraday cages (used to shield computer equipment, etc) are just made out of copper screen. Faraday cages aren’t rocket science either. All you need is a conductive metal box of some sort. A metal toolbox makes a natural faraday cage.

If you intentionally screened a building just to prevent cell phones from working in it, you might open yourself up to lawsuits from people who say you are preventing emergency services from being able to communicate in an emergency situation. You might want to check with a lawyer before doing something like this. Genearally speaking, though, faraday cages are not illegal.

The places I have been that have jammers do not have signs telling you that jammers are in operation, though they do have many large and prominant signs stating that the operation of cell phones in those areas is prohibited. I’ve never seen warnings around faraday cages either.

Radio transmitters of all sorts are generally marked with a warning due to possible interference with devices like pacemakers. I think restaurants are even required to post a warning sign if they are using microwave ovens. A cell phone jammer might have a warning posted that it is a radio transmitter, but I doubt that the warning would specifically identify it as a cell phone jammer.

An active jammer like that is completely illegal, so that’s going to have to stay in the realm of fantasy. They do sell novelty “machine gun” switches that you can mount on your steering wheel and give yourself a little satisfaction when you are behind someone idiotic on the road, perhaps not as satisfying as a real machine gun but at least you get the sound effects.

Gotta go with the wife on this one. If I have a dropped call, the first thing I do is look at the phone, then redial.

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If Carl the Criminal took Sapo’s fantasy to the next level and installed a decent radio-frequency jammer into his car, would he be able to disable a police officer’s attempt to call for backup?

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And putting on makeup, eating, looking around for stuff, digging through purses or bags, turning around to yell at kids, being sleepy…drunk…aggravated or aloof, being in a hurry, arguing with passengers, not wearing your glasses, poor driving habits or skills. . .

I really doubt it’s specifically cell phones that cause most of traffic stupidity. It’s one minor thing among thousands. Going through that much effort to prevent one tiny annoyance is silly. To have a fantasy about having such a device is silly. It would prevent nothing and simply aggravate all those unfortunate enough to be driving next to the OP.

I can’t stand people like that. Who think they are so morally superior that their vigilantiism is some how justified. These are the same people who like to get in the fast lane and purposely slow down when they see a car coming that is driving above the speed limit. They are so damn proud of themselves to be doing their part in ridding the world of evil speed demons.
After all, “I never speed,” they think to themselves. “So why should any person ever drive above the speed limit. That causes soooo many accidents. I am probably saving someone’s life by being such an annoying jerk”…

Not that I own or plan to own a church or a theatre, but let me ask a bit more about a Faraday cage. Suppose a copper screen is included all throughout the walls of a building but windows and doors are left unprotected. How leaky would that be? Would that depend too much on the position of the cell towers or can you generalize. Is it a line-of-sight issue?

I understood that a jammer is just another transmitter. Does that mean that a cell phone jammer could be as small as a cellphone itself? I think to remember the article saying that those were briefcase-sized (but then again, they were meant to cover a whole church and had no need for batteries)

As for Nenno’s concerns, let’s just say that it takes a mountain of explicitely inconsiderate drivers to make me snap out of my habitual bovinity at the wheel. I drive fast but very relaxed. No vigilantism here. I am more concerned about the safety of my two babies than I am about righting the world. I do a ton of cursing under my breath but make sure to smile and wave if I get eye contact even from the most obnoxious imbecile. Fantasies are good and harmless fun.

If he knew the frequency being used, yes. (It’s not hard to find out, either). Like I mention in all of these threads, at least a few cell phone service use frequencies that are adjacent to those used by many EMS, police, and fire agencies. So, you might be jamming cell phones, but you’d probably be jamming emergency radio communications, as well.

St. Urho
Paramedic

Depends on the radio type. The older, simpler ones, yes. Some of the newer ones do frequency hopping (to make it more difficult for the criminals to eavesdrop on their conversations, I think) so if you jam one frequency the radio will end up just switching to another frequency anyway. You may cause a bit of interference, but Officer Bob will still be able to yell for backup.

Even the older radios had multiple channels, so they could just manually switch to a different frequency if you started jamming them.

Source: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Public_Notices/DA-05-1776A1.html - June 27, 2005

Source: http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/index.htm?job=operations_2&id=cellular

This wouldn’t be the smartest plan. A radio jammer would be a perfect tracking device. Just get a directional antenna and figure out which direction the signal is strongest in and go that way.

Cell phones operate at about 800 MHz to 1.9GHz. This is a wavelength of 37cm to 15cm. I am not sure you can call structures with holes at least several times the wavelength of interest a Faraday cage. They are not slightly leaky they are extremely leaky.

The Faraday cages I have seen used in the cell phone industry use copper mesh with the holes about 1 to 2 mm on a side.

Also, once the cops caught on to Carl the Criminal’s MO, his jammer would serve as an excellent beacon for them to home in on and catch him. Remember, a jammer doesn’t actually stop another transmission, it just overwhelms it, so if the cop’s original transmission was able to be picked up at base, then the jammer (which would have to be significantly stronger) could be picked up, too.

Can’t you also use plasma to form a Faraday cage? And that’s why our spacecrafts can’t communicate directly with the ground during reentry? I’m sure we could do some low temp plasma Faraday cage, which would make it active instead of passive.

Bovinity? God man, how much are you eating? That’s dangerous while driving =)

In my limited experience, an effective passive Faraday cage is going to be tricky. The problem is that there are bound to be countless gaps through which the signals may travel. The nature of the frequencies used by the cell carriers allows the signal to bounce like crazy. This is why your phone may work deep within a steel frame building or a steel tool shed or even an elevator. The seams of an RF screened room may be triple sealed and the doorjam may have eleborate conductive shielding designs to keep very high frequency signals out (or in).

If your mobile jammer had a limited range of, say, a hundred yards or less, the police/FCC would likely never even know your scheme and it would take a significant effort to track you down. A moving, low power target is pretty hard to find, especially when the search area is bathed in the same frequency RF that the cell towers themselves transmit.

As a completely irrelevant aside, my favourite ice-cream is “Divinity Bovinity” from B&J. Make of it what you want.