Some of you might remember me from the “Moon Landing Hoax” thread last week, well i’m back and armed with another report, that will probably get u all havin a go at me again, but oh well, if you wanna see the new report go to
find the truth and click on “terrorism” make sure you let me know what you think.
Sorry, but calling the actions of citizens of a sovereign nation against an occupying force “acts of terrorism” is viewing things upside down to begin with.
Salaam. A
Erm, what was it that you wanted to debate? Other than possibly the fact that you (I assume the report you linked to is your own work?) appear to think that George Bush personally fought the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, I didn’t see much that isn’t already being debated in various open threads on this board.
You seem to miss the point of the report i wrote, which is ironically why i wrote it, because people do not proplerly understand why the USA is a big terrorist target. What i wanted to debate was the reason terrorists attack the USA, i have offered my opinion and i want other people to comment on my report and vioce their opinions on the subject, there have been other threads about terrorism and some about Iraq but none (as far as i have seen) are exaclty like mine.
Very disappointing; conspiracy theories that have already been hashed and rehashed, thousands of times on the 'net; no new ideas or facts that I could see; no citations or references for the assertions presented.
Sorry, sure you were looking for something more positive, but IMHO the linked site is a complete waste of time.
This is no made up stuff, it comes from the terrorists themselves, they have said what i have explained in my report, and the whole site is not a waste of time, just because you don’t like the truths that are on it does not mean it is useless, all reports on that site are based on real evidence, and are not made up in our imagination.
magicman, instead of using the SDMB to promote your website, we would prefer that you state your position on the subject here.
I am not here to drive traffic to the site i am here to simply rasie a good talking point
i will post my report on here soon.
You want to debate the reasons for terrorist attacks on the US. And your main contention seems to be that the Iraq war hasn’t made the US safer. As, I said before both of these subjects have and continue to be amply debated. Under the headings “The Reason For The Terrorist Attacks on the US” and “Has the Iraq War Made The US Safer?”.
Well, maybe so, but as you haven’t presented any of the evidence or named any of your sources, it doesn’t leave us much to debate.
You are missing the point, my report staes that the USA getting involved in the Middle East in general causes the terrorism ,not just in Iraq.
Please try to understand. We don’t need you to post your “report”-we would like you to state your position on the topic you have brought up in this thread.
ok, i believe that if the USA left the Middle East alone to get on with their own lifes then there would be less terrorism.
Yeah? Which terrorists? The IRA? ETA? Oh, looking at your ‘report’, I see you must mean Middle Eastern terrorists. Tell me, how many terrorists did you interview for your ‘report’? What are your sources? What is the report author’s name? Without any documentation, why should I or anyone else accept as the ‘truth’ a single assertion on your site?
Wrong. I consider it useless because no useful information is presented.
Can you explain why you believe this would happen? And do you think it is remotely plausible given the wide range of US interests in the Middle East that need to be protected? Do you think the US was wrong to respond when Iraq invaded Kuwait?
And, totally off-topic, do you have any plans to start a thread based on your “Assylum Seekers” report? I’m still chuckling over you plans to “help” them 
Please note that i only write for the site, it is not my site, and i did not write all of the reports on there, if u have a problem with the report on there e-mail the site owner.
I believe this would happen because if you listen to wat the terrorists ( particulalry osama bin laden) say in their broadcasts you can see that they basically say what i have just said.
And no i think the USA were 100% right to get Iraq out of Kuwait, but i think they should not try and builf MacDonalds and things over there.
I think you are confusing the actions of the US Government with the actions of US businesses.
Also you are saying that to avoid any further terrorist instances we should give the terrorists whatever they ask for? Just to confirm…
Ah magicman, a mod has been exceedingly patient and twice requested you post your “report” here for discussion, and not constantly refer to it on another site.
I have a feeling there will not be another request.
Having said that, the debate you wish to engage in will require at bit more depth than just stating your opinion and assuming you will be believed.
The moderator did not request me to post my report actually, he just asked me to bring forward the main point of my report.
I have a feeling that you should mind your own buissiness.
Having said that your third point is correct and i will go into more detail on tuesday.
Well, since the OP seems to ive not of a direct invitation for a debate, maybe this is one:
Can you explain why you are so convinced the USA has the right to “protect its interests in the Middle East”?
You come across as if you believe the USA owns the region and has every right to interfere there and to be there.
Salaam. A
Hmm, well my questions were mostly an attempt to get **magicman ** to further explore his opinions, but now I seem to have been pegged as a defender of US imperialism :eek:
But now we are going:
Magicman said
My inference from that was that the US should have no presence what so ever in the Middle East. The fact is that the US, as the only worldwide superpower has interests all over the world. In the Middle East, the primary interest is in the maintenance of a stable oil supply. There are also vital shipping routes in the area and latterly a lot of terrorist activity that has affected or potentially affected US interests has originated in the area. It is vastly unrealistic to expect that, with the area being so vital in an economic and geo-political sense, the US would not maintain a presence and attempt to maintain an influence there.
I’m not sure that you can justify this whole sentance. As I said above I do believe the US has a right and a need to have a presence in the Middle East. I guess that by “maintaining an influence” and “interfering” we probably mean the same things. I don’t accept that this is the same as claiming that the “US owns the region”. If you look at my posting history, you will see that I have been very much against the Iraq war, for many reasons, mainly that I didn’t trust the Americans not to stuff up the aftermath. I did support the liberation of Kuwait and am intested to know your position on this. In all, I have a lot of problems with US foreign policy with regard to the Middle East, but I certainly cannot accept that there should be no US foreign policy there, I don’t believe that this would be in the interests of the US (obviously) or in the interests of the people of the region.