Tesla Cybertruck

As I said a few posts ago, I saw my first CT in the flesh a couple days ago. Yesterday I was at this auto museum: Orlando Auto Museum - Dezerland Park. Whereat they had an Aztek on display. So I took time to carefully evaluate the Aztek vs the CT I’d seen.

The Aztek frankly has aged better than many cars from its era (2001-2005); it quite resembles many of the post-2020 crossover hatchbacks of today, just a bit more angular / less plump.

Having defended the Aztek, I will say that with the CT fresh in my mind there is no comparison.

The Aztek looks cheap and frumpy, the CT looks modern and cool. The Aztek is sorta like the mullet haircut: conventional in front, style party in back. The CT is the converse. The front aspect is very eye-catching and exudes a brutalist sort of high style, while the rear aspect looks like they ran out of ideas at about the B-pillar and just phoned in the rest.

It’s certainly a matter of personal taste whether the style aspects of Aztek or CT appeal to any individual. But I don’t think the CT can simply be labeled as “so ugly only an Elmo could want one.”


Unrelated to the above, here’s a comment for Sam specifically:

You’ve advocated for electric work trucks, albeit more so in warmer climes than your own. A contention I generally agree with.

I’ll suggest that the CT won’t be that truck even if it thoroughly checks every functionality box on the work truck checklist. It’s too fashion forward for the work truck community.

The folks who buy work trucks are conservative in most other things. Boring functional clothes, boring functional houses, etc. The CT is screaming “fashion statement” so loudly those folks will run the other way and never find out how well it does or doesn’t fit their functional needs.

The CT platform rejiggered into a more conventional shape might be just the compromise needed to sell millions of them.

… but then again, those conservatives will - by definition - never be innovators or early adoptors for anything new in the market…

thats why they buy a F-150 8th gen. ;o)

so, they are firmly planted in the “na, that’s not for me” territory…

tl;dr: not even in old clothes, will they “buy” a new concept.

Somebody (actually a couple thousand sombodies) will try some brand of electric pick-up truck as a work truck. If it works better enough, that word will spread rapidly.

But yeah, if it’s just a different list of shortcomings than an ICE / diesel work truck, or is just 5% better, there will be a giant yawning sound and zero EV-worktruck sales. But if somebody gets the combo of features right, it can take over faster than we might expect.

Helluva lot of dudes carry laser tape measures and tablets now who scoffed at the Poindexter techie kids in High School with them.

Some guy put (backward) longhorns on his Cybertruck…

More aerodynamic that way.

Is that poseur^2, or exp(poseur)? Hard to tell.

Looks more like poseur^4 - poseur^6, if my experiments with a graphing calculator are correct.

Interesting comment. I looked at the Aztek again and it didn’t seem nearly as ugly as I remembered it.

You prompted me to look at the Aztek again. Yes, it’s not as ugly as in my memory. The rear looks sort of like a Prius or other present-day car.

Because the rest of America ugly-fied their cars and we’ve almost caught up to the Aztek.

When it started, I dubbed the look “Angry Origami”.

My niece just bought a Prius, and purposely bought an earlier model year “when they looked cute instead of grumpy, now they’re all angles and frowns.”

Actually, the current, fifth-generation Prius looks a lot better than the earlier ones. The changes are subtle, but it’s somehow much better.

In person the Aztek looks slab-sided, too narrow or too tall, and yet the droopy back end takes away cargo capacity and makes it look malformed. If they had lowered cab and hatch just a bit or widened its stance a bit, it would have looked more proportioned.

But I agree that modern design has kind of mellowed the Aztek, which now just looks a bit off rather than the mess it appeared to be at the time.

Norm MacDonald had Weekend Update bit about a man who won, among other things, a Pontiac Aztek. “When asked about the first thing he was going to do with the prizes, the man replied, ‘Sell the Pontiac Aztek.’”

It got big laughs.

At the beginning of Breaking Bad, the main character Walter White drove a Pontiac Aztek, as a visual symbol of how beaten-down he was.

Back to the Cybertruck, and electric trucks in general, here’s a review in Driving.ca for the Ford F-150 lightning which I think captures the problem with electric trucks, including the Cybertruck.

In short, they loved everything about it, except one thing: range. And that just kills it as a working truck.

One of the problems is the huge cab these trucks have, which requires a lot of energy to heat or air condition. So unless the climate is perfect, your range will be lower than advertised. The same is true for the larger than average batteries the trucks need.

EV trucks may have the same range as some cars, but they get it through having a gigantic battery. That makes these vehicles much harder to live with. A charger at home is very expensive, charging on the road takes twice as long and costs twice as much, etc. And if you are trying to tow something, range just collapses.

Series plug-in Hybrid trucks may be the only way to solve this problem. That puts Tesla at a serious disadvantage since they have no experience with internal combustion engines and no supply chain for them either.

I’ve come full circle on EV’s and would now rather have an electric hybrid. Only make the ICE side of it a generator that is most efficient at a specific RPM. I think Tesla could go that route if they had to. The truck would be a good candidate for it with all the space a truck has.

But Tesla is starting to see their lack of supply chain infrastructure as an issue. Their repair costs really caused problems for Hertz rental.

Today I visited a Tesla showroom and delivery center. They had 1 Cybertruck all pretty in the showroom and 5 more on the backlot awaiting delivery. So I was able to review the thing in some depth. And to compare all 6 of of them looking for individual variation in assembly. Conveniently, three were parked right side by side so could eyeball one, then another, then another and back again from umpteen angles.

Here are a series of independent observations not forming an essay.

The CT in the showroom still had the wheel covers on. The outdoor ones did not, although that might have been an overnight anti-theft measure more than something related to the covers’ known issues.

The CTs outside were filthy, as were the other hundred random Tesla models sitting outside with them. It’s been occasionally rainy here in SoCal in the last week or two. Due to the color of the CTs, they show the dirt a lot more than a black, white, or red car does. And they show it differently somehow; we’re used to how a dirty painted car looks, while we’re not really used to how dirty stainless looks. So it appears extra dirty even if it isn’t really.

Overall, the stainless panels fit well together and were straight. I saw none of the odd gapping we’ve seen in pix.

The various black plastic (or whatever) components that surround the tonneau and the roof however were flakier. At the forward end of the tonneau is a black fixed panel about 4" fore-aft and full width of the roof. No two of them had the same gapping on the left and right. One was well-centered, the others were … not. It’s possible that part moves during tonneau extension / retraction which might explain some of what I was seeing. But the slop was ~3/16" ~= 2mm. Which makes a very obvious ~1/4" ~= 5mm gap on one side when the other side is flush with its mating surface.

The interior was very nice and although simple, exuded refined moderno-sleek, rather than “less is cheaper”. The screens (front and rear) were logical and pretty to look at. The rectangular wheel was familiar feeling to me, but I wonder how well it’ll work for lock-to-lock type turns.

The wide flat area forward of the dash up to the base of the windshield is gigantic. It’ll be a great solar heat collector. Which might be welcome on a sunny day in Calgary in Feb, but not so much on a sunny day in July in Texas, Nevada, or Florida. Folks in hot climates will want some sort of heat shield to deploy when parked. Which itself will be ginormous and hard to handle or store in the cockpit. That space will also be a large area that is difficult to keep clean and will soon be dust-encrusted on a lot of CTs. The bottom couple inches of windshield glass will also be very hard to clean.

One of the outdoor CTs had had the windshield wipers run to clear some of the rain spots and dust. The huge wiper is quite impressive, but the amount of the right side of the windshield left untouched would take a lot of getting used to. Bad for the driver and awful for the front seat passenger.

Visibility from the driver’s seat is superb from about 8 o’clock around to 4 o’clock. I couldn’t really evaluate the visibility in the aft third, but probably not much different than more ordinary vehicles. The front is low enough that adult or even tween-sized pedestrians would be immediately visible. A lot of modern pickups can easily have an adult woman walk across close in front of them while being invisible to the driver. That’s dangerous, and not an issue with CT.

The tonneau was open on the showroom model. The bed interior “felt” almost more like a giant car trunk than a truck bed. The feel was “Plenty nice for designer luggage; nobody who cared about their cars would put greasy car parts or bags of mulch in there.” There is a storage compartment under the bed sized about like a small cooler. Nice, but only smallish things could go in there. The bed sides are rather shallow at the rear. With the result that the tonneau won’t close on anything much thicker than ~12" if it extends near to the back of the truck.

Real quickly wandering around them the weirdness wore off and it was mostly just a biggish hatchback. It lost the menacing IFV aspect I thought I saw when I spotted my first one in the wild a few days ago. But the “face” is very low-key / impassive. If a Lexus is trying to imitate a snarling aggressive Darth Vader, this thing is imitating an M1 tank hull. Impassive and implacable. It will do what it wants when it wants and its expression won’t give any warning. Or maybe a policeman in riot gear just standing there doing nothing with face hidden behind a dark shield.

In all I could imagine having one if I decided to go poseur urban assault aggressive with my next move in automotive fashion. And if the darn thing accelerated and handled well compared to the ICE performance cars I’m used to.

Also, it’s a big-ass hunk of shit to slam through the air. When we were considering and EV, I thought the F150 would do what we needed. That is until I started looking at efficiencies and realized how inefficient these big-ass hunks were. Most Teslas look like they do for a reason: They are efficient. Someday I would love to buy a large vehicle that is aerodynamically efficient. I don’t know where the Cybertruck lines up, but it has to be better than the F150.

From here:

The Cybertruck’s drag coefficient is 0.34, which is great for a truck of this size, even though the Rivian R1T trumps it with a Cd of 0.30. Still, the Cybertruck does much better in this respect than most other electric trucks—the Ford F-150 Lightning, for example, has a Cd of 0.44, while the GMC Hummer EV has over 0.5!

So, not bad (and better than the F-150), though the R1T does surprisingly well here.

In comparison, the latest Model 3 has a Cd of 0.22. So the trucks are all pretty bad compared to a car, plus the cars have a much lower frontal surface area than a truck.

A few things here:

  • Tesla glass has an IR-reflective coating that really cuts down on the heat.
  • You can enable overheat protection (maybe enabled by default), which keeps the interior under 40 C. The car has plenty of juice to keep this going for long periods. It gets warm but not scorching.
  • You can also pre-chill the car on hot days, or enable pet mode if you don’t plan on being out too long.

Cool that you got to sit in it. The one I saw in the showroom was closed off. Maybe they’ve opened it up since then. Sounds like the standard Tesla minimalist interior, in any case.

Yeah, and it still depends on total frontal area, which nobody seems to disclose. So even though I think the Rivian is prettier, the Cybertruck might actually waste less of its energy pushing air.