Make that The Fabulous Thunderbirds (with Jimmie Vaughan, Stevie Ray’s brother)–it was sung to the tune of “Tuff Enuff”.
(And futher, I’ll go ahead and chime in as another prodcut of the Texas public school system [1976-1989] who was taught evolution in biology class and never heard so much as a word about creationism!)
Wow, Derleth has a lot of rules about how science should be taught.
He’d have probably excreted a block of exterior housing material over the astronomy teacher that started the semester with every myth and legend concerning the skies above our heads, and how differing ancient cultures interpreted each observable event. (What the hell did that guy know about astronomy, anyway. When the budget crisis was over, he went back to his job at NASA.)
35 years ago, before teaching to the standardized test became the norm (the hell with learning things that make the knowledge useful or interesting, memorize the facts and regurgitate them) good teachers taught more than just the basics. Maybe that’s why more of us old folks are able to think about things in a less regimented fashion, and express ideas that do not necessarily spring from our rigid area of expertise.
Scientific truths are ever-changing. (The medical community knows that more than most.) After all, my Mother was taught the basic scientific truth that the atom was the smallest particle of matter, and it could not be split. Until it was.
Personally, I think that the Giant Turtle A’Tuin is carrying the world on his back, and we really don’t need to know much else…(gratuitous Terry Prachett reference).
Huh, some of you Texans saying you haven’t seen cowboy hats in awhile confused me (because I sure as hell have), but then got me thinking.
I HAVEN’T seen any in about 2 months since I moved to the Dallas/Fort Worth area. I’m originally from West Texas, and I guess things are a bit more traditional there. Of course, there, the place actually IS an oil and cattle filled desert.
A recent high school graduate (class 2003), who took two biology courses (standard and Advanced placement) I think I got both extremes of the contreversy.
My first biology teacher, an older, religious, Vietnam-vet just said, “We aren’t even going to cover the subject of evolution in this class. You already know as much as the state requires, and I don’t want get into it” Subtle hints he’d dropped throughout the year suggested he fell into the creationist camp.
My advanced class, on the other hand, had “The Evolution of Species” as required reading, and watch a documentary movie that came down pretty hard on the pseudo-scientists.
Are you really as stupid as you sound?
As it would be gratuitous to start another pitting, I am extending my above question to Cartooniverse.
I stand corrected! You are absolutely right, the Tuff Enuff tune must have thrown me off.
I was in the Texas public school sytem from 1970 - 1988. I vaguely remember an older teacher bringing someone in to talk about evolution, and I recall that experience being somewhat out of place in my schooling - which sort of gives me the opposite experience.
I skipped most of my high school classes, except Math and English, though - so perhaps I missed something!
thatDDperson, are you reading my posts or are you just trying to belittle me using a standard spiel? I’ll assume the former, because if it’s the latter you are uninteresting and this discussion shall not continue.
First, I never said that antiquated theories or even mysticism cannot be taught in science classrooms. I only said that they should be clearly marked as what they are, and that they should not be given equal status alongside the real theories that reflect current knowledge. If a science teacher thinks it’s worth his class’s time to go over the cosmologies of the world, I don’t care as long as the students get the knowledge their parents paid for.
Second, I never mentioned standardized tests once in any of my God damned posts, and I resent your moronic strawman. If you want to discuss standardized tests, the perceived decline of the American education system, or how you cannot read with comprehension, don’t hijack this thread any further. Take it to a thread you can make your own personal droolbucket.
Third, I know that science changes, you dumbbell. I mentioned that explicitly in all of my posts. What I’m arguing against is the idea that creationism is worthy of being called science. It isn’t, it never has been, and the only people to argue that it should be have fundamental misunderstandings of how science works.
Finally, your posts are quite jerkish in this thread. It would not surprise me if you manage to get yourself banned, and I hope the doorknob does not embed itself in your rectum: It would probably bruise your skull.
How does Texas constantly rejecting creation “science” make it backwards? Re-read the article I don’t think you understand what it said. Texas didn’t have creation “science” in its textbooks in the past. Some morons (like the morons everywhere) wanted to put it in. And they lost. Yea Texas! Can’t say the same for Kansas though, but I beleive they finally changed that.
I think Friedo owes Texas an apology.
Sometime I wonder why the fundies even bother to lobby the board of education. They’ll home school there kids regardless.
The so-called fundies see evolution as a code word for atheism. That is why they attack it.
The suipposed list of errors as compiled by the Discovery Institute. They are the group that advocates Intelligent Design. I have not reviewed the list myself yet.
Should I relist the errors in a new post for discussion?