Doomed!
Of course, no one will know for sure until all votes are tabulated. The symbolic “win” is just as important at this juncture in the race for Hillary, given what needs to happen for her to secure the nomination.
ETA: FYI, as of right now, CNN projects 46 delegates to HRC, 24 to Obama, with 71% of the precincts reporting.
I’m so sick of this idiotic meme.
Really… It’s a joke. Obama is ahead by 157 delegates. There’s no way to win without destroying the party. Why do you keep pushing on?
HRC has run the filthiest campaign of any Democrat I’ve ever seen from day one against a guy who refuses to do so because he believes in the better nature of people. That is what makes me sick.
BTW: I wouldn’t mind if Hillary could compete without her stupid “kitchen sink” attacks that destroy the party and our eventual nominee. I seriously wouldn’t mind except that she can’t. She has no shame. When people talk about how it’s going to get “ugly” it’s HRC that’s making things ugly.
An Obama supporter, by any chance?
Clinton has won Ohio. Quite handily, it would seem. She’s not dead yet; still losing, but this gives her momentum going into Pennsylvania, and more traction with superdelegates.
She will, but it’s silly not to take into account where the votes are coming from when there are tremendous demographic differences in the support for the two candidates. It would be like judging the general election if only Georgia had reported.
Hillary held out better than expected in Ohio but a tie in Texas is still a loss. She isn’t going to net many, if any delgates and what ever she does get will be eradicated in WY and MS anyway. All the narrative in the world can’t change the math and her bullshit talk about “momentum change” is really just a different version of “I didn’t major in math, I majored in miracles.”
All these means is that she’s going to fuck up her party and her country for the rest of the spring waiting for another meaningless contest in PA and hoping to change the rules in FLA and MI.
The best case scenario for her is still a pyrrhic nomination victory, a fractured party, a loss in the General Election and 4 more years of death and bankruptcy in Iraq and home will be even worse. Four more years of GOP leadership means economic depression, more Christo-fascist theocracy and loss of religious freedom, social upheaval, corporate feudalism, more and more citizens being disappeared off the streets and taken to gulags, roving, homeless, orphaned children having to resort to cannibalism and hunting their prey in subways and parks, Dennis Miller specials, country singers winning American Idol, accelerated global warming and the loss of North American coastlines, that smug fucking look on Cindy MCain’s Cryptkeeper face, more shrinkage of the middle class until all that’s left is corporate feudal lords living in gated communities living off the sweat and blood of the serfs who represent the other 99% of the people, hurricanes, runaway spam, public lynchings of GLBT people, a descent into illiteracy and superstition and the eventual, unavoidable, rise of the machines.
And it will all be Hillary’s fault. I hope she’s happy.
Because I prefer Hillary to Obama? Really, what answer do you want?
You are, of course, free to believe what you will. I didn’t come in here to start a fight or defend my reasons for backing Hillary. Despite being in GD, I came into the thread to thank any Doper Dems in Ohio who came out in support of HRC today, given that this is the thread to discuss the “Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island, and Vermont - March 4th, 2008” primaries.
(Edit: Misread what you were saying; thought you were referring to “our” as yours and mine.)
Anyway, like I said, I didn’t stroll in to pick a fight. I came to offer thanks to my fellow supporters in Ohio who may be in the thread. Now back to your regularly scheduled results discussion…
I noticed how nobody’s saying it was wrong for Obama to stay in the running when Clinton was ahead. Wasn’t he dividing and hurting the party then?
The funny part is that most Clinton supporters are voting rationally. If Obama gets the nomination, they’ll accept that their second choice won and support Obama. But many Obama supporters seem to be voting emotionally. If Clinton gets the nomination, they’ll hate her with a blinding rage for having “stolen” the nomination from their loved one.
As long as the supply of roasted babies holds out, I’m sure she will be.
Clinton has never once been ahead. Obama has led in delegates since Iowa. Even in NH, he won the same number of delegates that she did.
Plus, he has never been i a situation where winning fair and square was mathematically impossible for him the way it is with Hillary.
Wow Dio.
You really lived up to your username.
Um, on topic… If this goes to the convention, I predict HRC gets it (by superdelagate/florida votes), and if she does, I predict I won’t be voting for president.
C’mon democracy, don’t fail me now!
(edit: darn slow typing… complement for Dio’s tirade, not the above post)
The ass-kicking in Ohio is nothing to scoff at. I think there’s a pretty damn decent argument to be had for nominating the person who can hand over the battleground states. Obama has VA under his wing, which is good, but now Clinton can boast Ohio and an edge in Florida and Michigan.
This is the kind of thing superdelegates pay attention to. With Texas still up in the air, this is the best Clinton could have possibly hoped for. Unless the superdelegates aren’t persuaded by Ohio (and some of them will be) and come down for Obama en masse to end this thing, it’s going to Pennsylvania.
PA is the end, though. Unless it’s within two dozen delegates or so after that, which I doubt.
What odds now of a Clinton/Obama ticket?
Clinton was only ahead before any primary occured and then briefly after NH, back when the race was wide open and Edwards still had a shot, on paper. Now, Obama has won 11 straight, closed double digit gaps in Texas, etc. Before tonight, it was highly unlikely she could get the nomination without some superdelegate help.
Also, again, I’m an Obama supporter who would never vote for her, but not because of emotions. I won’t vote for her because of her fear mongering (telephone ad) and race baiting (the recent ad making Obama blacker than he is). Why wouldn’t you vote for Obama if you supported Clinton’s policies?
Ya know, I could boast an edge in FL and MI too if none of the competition was on the ballot.
Votes 12,696,389 Delegates 1,258 Barack Obama
Votes 12,660,500 Delegates 1,127 Hillary Clinton
As of right now in Texas.
If Clinton does manage to win the nomination, I think the odds are good. If Obama wins, I don’t know.
Texan here.
Texans are antsy. For once, Texas Democrats matter! For once, the way we vote is important! Texas Democrats are like the thin sugar glaze across the big huge Duncan Hines yellow cake that is Texas, admittedly with a huge Hershey’s Kiss on Travis County.
CNN is reporting… checks it again 1,021,047 for Clinton, 970,418 for Obama, versus a bit over a million voters total for all the Republicans put together.
That’s double the Democrats over the Republicans. In TEXAS. This is creepy.
My caucus experience:
The polling place is maybe five miles from my house, which is quite nice for someone who lives in the ass-end of the Austin metro area. My neighbors keep goats.
We all gathered in the fellowship hall of a Baptist church. It was pretty apparent they did not expect such a turnout, as they tried to start the caucusing in the hallway with about 4/5 of the voters standing out in the cool of the evening. We migrated into the gymnasium for announcements, a half-finished plywood and spray-insulationed basketball court with a concrete floor, and chose our chairperson and secretary by virtue of the fact that they’d both done it before. Very agreeable.
We all had to prove we’d voted and that we’d voted Democrat. This took about two hours. About half of us were gone by the point it was done, having discovered they did not have to stick around for their votes to count. The chairman announced that yes, while they COULD leave, we still had to have enough people to choose delegates from or we wouldn’t have any. So stay, some of you? Please?
The sweet old fellow who started everything off estimated there were about seventy of us. He was almost right. In total, we had 83 Democrats in the caucus in my very tiny precinct. We split almost exactly down the middle, with slightly more than half for Obama. It was close enough that our fourteen delegates were also split handily in two – seven delegates and seven alternates for each side.
There were about forty of us left, total. We shuffled off into our corners. “Okay,” someone said, “who wants to be a delegate?”
Seven hands went up. “Well, that’s handy!”
I am quite proud. Proud of my party for turning out double the voters of the Republicans – it might actually be worth the time for the Democrats to work in this state!. Proud of the people who stayed until gone nine to do their civic duty.
And rather proud of myself for volunteering to join my fellow delegates at the county convention at the end of the month. 
I really don’t want to vote Communist this election, but I will rather than vote for Hillary. No matter what the choice, I would never vote for her. Unless it was voting who gets buried in rabid weasels and set on fire. Then, she might get my vote.
Doesn’t matter. Clinton is trying to make their votes count. Obama isn’t. There’s a perception that Michiganites* and Floridians will thus appreciate Clinton and resent Obama. Is it true? Don’t know. What matters is if the superdelegates think its true.
*It’s a word, says my browser spellcheck