:rolleyes:
t-keela and MEBuckner both raise a good point. Lots of states have silly laws that usually aren’t enforced. For example, despite the fact that Diogenes was so disgusted by this law that he called for the forcible invasion and “ass kicking” of the entire Southern half of the country, his own state of Minnesota has a law prohibiting fornication (Minn. Crim. Code Sec. 609.34):
Boy, I bet Minnesota’s going to be surprised when it’s invaded by Diogenes’s Army of Sexual Freedom.
It’s possible that I’m being too lenient, but even though I don’t agree with their laws on “fornication,” I don’t think everyone in Minnesota is an idiot or an asshole. I mean, they’ve got elucidator up there, so they can’t be all bad (although if memory serves me right, elucidator hailed from Texas, only to move to the Great White North. This makes me doubt his sanity, but he seems decent enough).
See, I don’t object to people objecting to blanket statements about Texas. And I don’t object to pointing out the motes in other states’ eyes, either, just don’t post Internet glurge in order to do so.
Lots of states, North and South, have stupid, archaic, mostly unenforced laws about the private sex lives of consenting adults. They all need to get rid of them.
Oh, and saying that the people who are putting their freedom, or at least their money, on the line in order to get rid of these stupid bullshit laws “brought it on themselves” is also bad form.
“She brought it on herself.”
Meaning she knew the attitude of local officials and community standards. She was a fifth grade schoolteacher in a town that GHWB awarded as outstanding community in Texas. The city claims it hold itself to a higher moral standard. Check out http://www.burlesontx.com/home.htm
The woman snubbed her nose at the chamber of commerce when they refused to charter her business and allow her to be a member. She had been allowed to do her business as long as it was discreet. That wasn’t good enough. She had to rock the boat, so to speak. Now I’m an old boat rocker from way back, and I can understand both sides of the issue. BUT experience has shown me, that we boat rockers rarely win and are subject to be arrested sometimes.
In other words, she brought it on herself.
I hope she gets the law repealed or at least modified. But I still don’t want a porn shop on my street. Sorry if y’all don’t agree but too bad, it’s MY street.
C’mon, ya squeaky slimy Texans! Admit your state is an embarrassing boil on the American body politic!
Sure, ridiculously stupid laws exist in other states and get enforced by rubes and morons. And when that happens, the OTHER states catch hell! Frex, Alabama recently went through plenty of public shaming for its stupid-ass dildo laws. Georgia, which has been cited here, was thoroughly roasted a few years ago because it enforced it’s sodomy law – against a heterosexual couple.
(The case folded when the defence let it be known that it would be asking each and every member of the court and the prosecution, and every prosecution, under oath, if they had ever violated Georgia’s sodomy law. A field day, indeed!)
Point is, right now TEXAS is being a total asshole excuse for a state and if you fucking Texans had so much as an inch of spine, you’d stand up and say, “Yes, I am a Texan, and yes, we have a lot of moron laws here and morons to enforce them, and yes, I am deeply ashamed, but there’s only so much I can do here as one of the few grown-ups inhabiting my state.”
An interesting perspective. Would you support the actions of a community to get residents of a particular type removed, because it’s their street?
What’s that? No, you find it silly and barbaric that people can air their predjucies and have them enforced just because there’s lots of them? Yes, that’s what I hoped.
Or, sans floofy writing, why isn’t the street the porn sellers’ street, too?
And performing an action liable to cause someone else to do something to you isn’t bringing it on yourself. People who join the army and get shot didn’t bring it on themselves. People who flout stupid laws and get prosecuted didn’t bring it on themselves.
Did I miss something or did you?
She was a director of the Chamber of Commerce!
What the heck are you talking about?
I am happy to cal BS when I see it. I also grew up in Georgia and call BS there and anywhere else I see it as well.
This is a joke and after the recent Supreme Court ruling on the Texas sodomy law, this will be throw out in a New York minute.
From the article it appears that her real offense was wearing mini-skirts. :eek:
But she only wanted to get people to bring it on themselves!
Chamber’s Motto
Mrs. Webb was a member but as representative of her husband’s construction company. If her own business were allowed a charter it would have received numerous benefits. The chamber as a whole voted against this.
There were some threats made by Mrs. Webb IIRC. She was reproached for violating her civic responsibility and/or her oath to promote excellence in character or some such nonsense. She in turn dared the city to stop her from breaking the same laws that she once supported. So, folks this thing is more than meets the eye.
I live near this community and have watched and read the local reports BEFORE the national media decided this was important and began to spread the watered down version.
BTW This isn’t about her income. Money isn’t the issue. It’s not even about the law. It’s a power play within a small (pop. 25,000) intimate community. Who’s the baddest bitch on the board? Maybe I’ll dig up the original stories for you. Not that it would do a bit of good. Since you think you got it all figured out anyway.
Damned if folks don’t
believe whatever the media says.
Any of y’all want to buy some hand me down weapons of mass destruction? heh
You’re right …there’s definitely a bunch of fucking morons involved. But it ain’t me.
How, exactly? The Canon of Ethics prohibits a lawyer or judge from serving in a case in which he may be called as a witness. So even if the defense threatened to do that (and I can’t imagine they would unless they wanted to be laughed at by every lawyer and every judge in town), I can’t think of any circumstances in which this would be either relevant or permissible.
In other words, I call bullshit.
Now, now. Do you really want to start comparing the length of our body parts? Don’t you think that will end poorly for you?
For the record, I’m against the law. I don’t think it’s anyone’s business what consenting adults stick where while in the bedroom. But I’m not “deeply ashamed” to live in Texas.
I don’t need to approve of every law the legislature passes. This is a democracy, Texas is a big place, and the majority of Texans have every right to enact whatever morality legislation they see fit, as long as it doesn’t violate my constitutional rights. If I don’t agree with the law, I’m willing to either work within the system to change it, move somewhere that doesn’t have the law, or ignore it and (potentially) pay the price.
That’s the price of living in a democracy.
I goddamned sure don’t support the law in question nor do I approve of the bullshit in Burleson. It just provides one more opportunity for folks to razz Texas. Like we need anymore shit like this. :rolleyes:
But I’ll be damned if I’ll stand sheepishly and be called an ignorant fuck by the likes of anyfukinbody.
It’s simply local politics gone fucking crazy. Allright…so
Sorry, I just had to get had out of my system. I’ve got a bottle of tequila in the freezer. Think I’ll go have a shot. g`nite 
They’re outlawing specific people now? This is even more ridiculous than I thought.
t-keela, why do you keep insisting that you won’t stand for being called “ignorant” when no one but yourself is using that word? I think you’re reading more into some of these posts than what is actually there.
The law is silly and outdated, and the prosecution is dumb. I don’t doubt that what’s behind it is indeed local politics gone crazy. Which is why laws like this should be removed, so that crazy local politicians and police departments don’t have tools like these to harass citizens.
When are people going to learn - democracy doesn’t work!
More examples of the failure of democracy(many with cites to the specific statute) available at Dumb Laws and Stupid Laws. The Dumb Laws site is larger and better organized, but it is hard to beat the motto of the Stupid Laws site. “Who will be next to give Lady Justice the shaft?” Love it, just love it.
My, admittedly imperfect, solution? Every law has a sunset, and every law has to be re-passed on an individual basis at most once per decade. Stupid solution, creates even more beaurocracy and paperwork for already overloaded lawmaking bodies, but something needs to be done and it can’t really get much worse than it is now. Sunset clauses in sustaining legislation is kind of like automatic housekeeping. Gotta run a tight ship to make it effective, and pretty much anything that would force tightening of the ship has got to be a good thing when taken all in all.
Enjoy,
Steven
Maybe so. I’ll try reading it again. Although, IMO “some of these posts” ARE saying much more than meets the eye. Perhaps we should BOTH go over it again. See how many remarks are made against a whole population of people because of this bullshit.
I agree with you, as does practically everyone I know or have even heard from… everyone. That’s kinda my point. We ALL know the law is bullshit. The problem is repealing them. It’s not as if we can take an eraser and start getting rid of every law that folks don’t agree with. You know (I assume) about blue laws, right? Go back to the Jim Crow laws even…or earlier. Nothing new here, is there?
In addition, THIS PARTICULAR situation has many hidden agendas. Burleson, Texas is one of those little towns where the “click” is REALLY in control of the town. There are a lot of wealthy, influential folks in Burleson.
Mr. & Mrs. Webb for instance, where’d they come from and how…(I think it’s probably best for me to NOT get into this) Let me just put it this way. There’s a whole lot more mud to be slung yet. If they’re all smart, they’ll try to get the lid BACK on this thing before the real shit hits the fan.
Research freaks…y’all try finding who’s who in Burleson and what assets belong to whom. (think Texas county appraisal districts)You might begin to see things a bit clearer.
Also, what about any politicians from Burleson and/or Johnson County and how they got where they are now.
One pissed off woman is gonna spill her guts real soon if they don’t shut her up. She’s supposed to have a hell-cat for a lawyer. Aaagh…They’ll probably just reach some kind of settlement, then move to Houston or Sugarland. Maybe buy a bunch of oil-leases with their settlement $$$. I wonder if they have any experience in this kind of thing? Joanne (maiden name) and Chris Webb & family.
Texas politics… :smack:
(it’s such a small, small world)
Matter of fact, I think I’ll let this whole thread go at this point. Y’all can believe whatever you want. Call names if you want, imagine yourselves to be superior, whatever. Because there’s no way in hell you’re going to believe me. Unless or until you see it on FOX or in the Chronicle. Sorry if I went off half-cocked, I’ll try to keep things to myself a little better in the future. G~nite 
P.S.
MODERATORS MEBuck… if you see ANYthing in this last post that you feel might be a problem for the SDMB and The Reader, just delete the shit out of it, Okay. I can show cites if called on any of my “possible implications” though. I ain’t makin’ this shit up.
t-keela, don’t be coy, now I’m intrigued. All I know is what I’ve read and before that, seeing the evil (HOT) woman and her hubby on TV. Is there some dirt that we are not aware of?
If it is only rumor, please state as such.
Peace.
A true Southerner would be drinking sweet tea. We always knew Texas was an afterthought in our War of Northern Aggression…
rsa I’m back one more time ONLY because you asked. I am about half scared to get into this. I will try to NOT too get specific, because this case is in the spotlight.
Burleson/Johnson county border Tarrant county. Tarrant County/Arlington about 10 -15 years ago had one of the worst reputations for drugs in Texas. The DEA practically lived there. A friend of mine lives there still and I used to in about '85.
Burleson is very close and has been struggling to keep their city clean for years. They have a zero tolerance for suspected drug traffickers. I’m not saying that THIS Mr. Webb has been convicted of dealing drugs before. But prior to moving to Burleson (10 years ago) a Chris and Joanne Webb in Arlington/Ft. Worth (isn’t that where their lawyer is from) were arrested for methamphetamines. She walked and he disappeared. A lot of data has been removed from various sites that refer to this case, but I did find a few private web sites that still exist from several years ago.
It’s also strange (IMO) that a person with two construction companies. A resident for ten years has no assets. Practically nothing is in his or her name.
The thing is, they lived in Burleson long enough to get the dirt on folks there.
I could go on with numerous other aspects of this case…but if you’ll dig around a bit, there’s dirt everywhere on both sides of this issue. If you will read ALL of the statements made thus far you’ll see that it changes. I’m not about to get into the other side of the story.
Last entry…what was the original “sting” in search of and why. What was she originally charged with and where?
CLUE: They (the DEA) weren’t looking for dildoes or aphrodisiacs.
That’s all for this thread…see ya’.
t-keela, can I ask where you get the info that the DEA was involved? The synopsis of the events leading up to the arrest that I have found doesn’t mention the DEA at all. As far as I can see it was local cops all along. And it didn’t seem much like a “sting”.
Now I guess it could have been that the tip was that Mr Webb was dealing drugs out of his office. Then they got there they didn’t find any evidence of such behavior so they seized on what they could, the sign advertising obscene devices. That’s a long way to go on speculation. I think at this point we’d be better off assuming there isn’t a deep conspiracy here. If you’re willing to continue to press the case then you can, of course, continue to present evidence. So far it looks pretty circumstantial(origin of the lawyer, assets you can find in the name of the Webbs, similar name to a couple who was arrested in a nearby area). There are lots of lawyers in Dallas, in fact, I myself live in the Dallas area and know a great many lawyers although I am not one. I can count off over a dozen lawyers that I am on social terms with, a couple of which are good friends, and one of which is one of my very best friends. I don’t think I travel in particularly “lawyer-ey” circles and how I have come to know most of them is in a manner you would never possibly guess. I have met none of them through professional services. I have never used a lawyers services and my relationship with almost all of them is strictly social. One of them is my landlord, but I didn’t pick this particular landlord because he is a lawyer, nor is there any aspect of our relationship which uses any of his special training or skills. I am not his client. I’m beginning to wonder if I’m blessed or cursed in being apparently a lawyer-magnet quite frankly, but that is a topic for another time.
Anyway, I also checked Nexis for “Joanne Webb” for all their news sources for their entire database trying to find a record of the arrest and trial of the Webbs you refer to and was not able to find anything. Do you have a suggestion as to where to find info on the Webb couple(who may or may not be the same as the couple in this story) who were arrested for methamphetamines?
Poking around on Nexis(subscription only, sorry can’t link) I found this “letter to the editor” in response to a story on this issue in the Dallas Morning News.
Heh.
Enjoy,
Steven
More poking seems to indicate that the Webbs in question are not the same Webbs from the drug bust, or that they’ve managed to erase their criminal history from any sources the Star-Telegram checked. According to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram from Monday Dec 15th. METRO; Pg. 1B Emphasis mine.
I found this article in the Nexis archives, but it is available to subscibers of the Star-Telegram’s archive service or to Nexis subscribers.
Enjoy,
Steven