Texas...where white trash get paid not to breed.

If that’s what it takes to keep unwanted children from coming into this world, who will most likely grow up to be criminals and drug addicts themselves, I think it’s WELL worth the $200 investment. Hell, if I were rich I’d do exactly the same thing.

Choice ends and coercion begins when you start to make decisions for other people. On what do you base any such program?

As I said above, if it’s voluntary, what’s the problem?

I was a bit rushed when I was writing my first reply in this thread, but now that I have had time to go back to their website, I noticed this bit from the statistics page

After 700 clients, they’ve only had SEVENTEEN male clients? If the clients saw the program as merely a way of making money to buy more drugs, I’d think that the numbers would be more balanced. I have to wonder if these lopsided numbers indicate that women recognize more easily the consequences of unplanned pregnancy, and therefore are more willing to take preventive measures. Meanwhile, the men probably just figure, “It’s HER problem. Let HER take care of it” if they get someone pregnant, and feel no need to get a vasectomy.

Incidentally, I get the sense some of the people here look down on drug addicts. While I do feel that drug abuse is very self-destructive, I do not have any feelings of hostility towards drug addicts. I am sure not all drug addicts are stupid, immoral, criminals, etc. But the simple fact is that being exposed to drugs in utero is not good for fetuses/babies, and therefore I support this program.

A tubal ligation, around here at least, costs about 10k to reverse.
It’s kinda hard to do, too.

How can it be genocide when nobody is being killed? Their conception is merely being provented. It’s like saying it’s genocide when someone uses a condom.

If ya’ll wanna scream about genocide go read about Margaret Sanger and why she founded Planned Parenthood.

Provented?

I knew that didn’t look right.

Prevented.

It’s late here, forgive me.

I’ve never heard of the option being offered to men before this thread. I wonder how long that’s been part of the program - perhaps length of time has something to do with the lopsided numbers.

I also notice that there have been more people of color sterilized than caucasians sterilized which does not align with racial breakdowns of people who use drugs. One of the objections people made in this area (when a group who did this moved in) is that while they were willing to sterilize anyone, they only advertised in predominately black neighborhoods. If you lived in the whiter areas of town, you’d never know the program was going on, but it was pervasively advertised in black neighborhoods.

[Abe Simpson]I’ll be buried deep in the cold cold ground before I recognize Mis-sour-a![/Abe Simpson]