Thank you, Dopers and (eventually) Pitters!

There was only one term: stop posting. What apparently bothers you is that I didn’t pay in advance with an instrument that had my name and address to a nut who has made it clear repeatedly that he believes I and all Christians should be wiped off the earth.

I just wanted to be sure he had gone, which an extended hiatus would have verified, and to pay through a third party. Obviously, he can say he would stop posting, get his money, and then post to his heart’s content. Not to mention be in possession of my wife’s physical location. If you think it’s far out there to be prudent in dealing with him, then it means you expected me to trust him. That would mean you’re crazy.

No, Poly will not hold the deposits, and not for any of the reasons given.

Pseudotriton ruber ruber is a man who posted occasionally here and there in threads I frequented for a while, but did not come to my attention a lot. I was amused by his choice of name, and looked up the link he provided to a picture of a Pseudotriton ruber ruber (the actual salamander, as opposed to the poster).

Then he decided to come to the defense of Badchad, for reasons known best to him. Following which, he’s had this agenda of persuading people that theists are too ignorant to live. (Yes, I am exaggerating. Tough shit; it’s the Pit, and I am entitled to.)

This irritated me, and I did vent a bit about it. But somewhere down the line, I realized I was not being true to my own principles in how I was behaving towards him, and I repented.

In the course of all that, I inquired about how one earns a PhD in Creative Writing, anyway, and he courteously sent me e-mail explaining that. Included was a description of the contents of his, well, project, since “thesis” and “dissertation” are not strictly accurate, .and the school from which he received it. In theory, if I cared to exert myself, I could validate that information with the school, obtain the name of the person who did it, search for schools which have an English faculty member with that name, and validate for myself that he is indeed what he purports to be – and I’m sure he realized that when he provided me the information. Which is sufficient to me to demonstrate that he is most likely as advertised. However, Rubystreak’s statement that I backed her up on his bona fides as a professor is not strictly true, though he did prove to my satisfaction that he has the PhD he claimed – and that he is a professor of English seems a reasonable conclusion from that.

To continue, though, Liberal has proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt his own bona fides. He has been a guest in my home, and my wife and I in his and Edlyn’s. They have gifted us with friendship and aid at a time when we badly needed both.

For all I know at the moment, PRR and Rubystreak could be sock puppets of a college sophomore giggling into his beer mug at what he’s pulled off. I’m not accusing them of that; I believe them to be who they claim to be. But I have no proof other than what I’ve read on this board and in one e-mail from PRR regarding either and their veracity. Liberal, on the other hand, I know to be a man of integrity who does what he says. And I encourage a third party with a knowledge of contractual law, say Bricker, to examine the offer, the response, the definition of terms, and see who is in the right. Because my view is that there was in fact no meeting of the minds on the terms. Lib asked if he’d consider it, PRR said yes, Lib defined what he would have to do to receive the payment, PRR chose not to meet those terms, and offered others, which Lib declined. And the matter closed with Lib deciding instead to donate to CCF, with those questioning his intent satisfied that that was a plausible outcome.

Now, if anyone decides to tell me that Liberal is dishonest and untrustworthy, and I know different from personal experience, you can guess my opinion of their own veracity.

Lib can take some strong-willed and sometimes outre (from my perspective) positions on issues. But he does it with integrity, as someone who follows through on his convictions. That many of his intellectual positions are not Doper-standard-issue makes him particularly interesting to exchange ideas with, IMO.

And at this point, I am bowing out of this thread. I believe I have done what is called on from me ethically, in full. (Other than spending several hours researching out who said what to whom when with regard to the $500 offer, as requested by PRR, which I’ve summarized my understanding of above. I decline to accept that assignment. If anyone else chooses to do so, more power to them.)

Cite, you lying motherfucker?

Actually, that’s several cites:

1)show where I once stated that as my belief.

  1. show where I stated that repeatedly

  2. show how I stated it “clearly” as opposed to simply stating it.

You are a simple piece of trash–you yourself came up with plenty of ways for me to get your money without seeing your personal check:

  1. Sending your personal check to Tris

  2. Sending it to Poly

  3. Sending it to any one of a number of other posters who know me personally

You could also simply send me a bank check, or a money order, or any one of a number of instruments that don’t have your address, or that of your poor vulnerable wife, on it. Speaking of which, can you show where I’ve ever implied that I would commit an act of aggression aganst any other poster here, ever? There are a number of posts within the lst 24 hours clearly implying that one poster would punch another poster’s lights out if they were to meet–can you show where I’ve ever participated in such a thread, other than as the party being threatened with violence? Or is that another of your blatant lies?

I’m also agreeable to a number of payment options, as I’ve said, including letting you spread this sum (which is apparently a significant one to you, given your weaseling) over ten months, again through a third-party. I would stop posting without a cent for a month as a sign of my good faith, and only then would you be required to send me (or a third party) a check.

As I said before, weasel out of that, asshole. You just display your bad faith every time you try to explain your position, giving strength to my position that you (to paraphrase W. H. Auden) are a low, dishonest dickhead. (This also supports my OP, btw–the more you try to argue your position, the more you strengthen mine.)

Sixty five cents not counting international currency exchange costs.

I can’t even piss anyone off past small change.

I’m stayin’. And, you, ETF are on my list.

Tris

Yes, never post again without having given him any way to get his check to me, and without verifying any way to demand payment. (I.e, the terms of his “offer”, specifying that I was never to post again from the timestsamp of his post making the “offer,” made ME the party invalidating the “offer,” if after two years of not posting, I posted again to remind him and everyone that I’ve complied with his terms.) How is this honorable, Poly? You’re undermining your own record for integrity in defending his.

I’ve got another bone to pick with you, but since this one might embarrass you personally, I’m going to e-mail you about it, so please check your e-mail.

Wait! I’ve got some half-off coupons for Charmin, and a penny that got put on a railroad track and run over by a train and bent, I mean really 90 degree angle bent! :eek: Will that sweeten the deal enough?

I find I disagree with Liberal often, and find that sometimes he (as well as I) seems to enjoy the taste of his (our) own shoe leather far too much. :stuck_out_tongue: But- he is honest and trustworthy in my book, and I enjoy our debates.

prr is nothing but an ass-kisser. When he grows a pair and starts having his own opinions, he might turn out to be a decent member of the SDMB community.

I’ll donate $10 to the cause.

I assume this means you think my posts derive from badchad’s? As What Exit keeps pointing out for your benefit, I’ve posted over 3,000 times here, very few of which have to do with atheism or related subjects.

That was part of my thinking in pointing out how irrelevant most of the attacks on badchad’s bad manners were. I was hoping that people might credit a well-established poster’s defense of someone enough to deal with badchad’s substance instead of his abrasive form in stating that substance. Instead, I seem to have convnced people like you that I’ve never posted here except to have defended badchad. This seems a reading comprehension issue more than anything else.

That’s exactly what happened, and yes, I’d be happy for Bricker to examine the record and state his opinion.

That’s how I read it, as well. I truly don’t see anyone as acting dishonorably, at least as far as this deal was discussed…it was just a failure to reach terms that were agreeable to both parties, that’s all.

Which terms disqualified me the second I posted in order to discuss them. That’s honorable? Have you got your head so far up **Liberal’**s ass you can’t even see how absurd defending his honor has become?

Way back when I accused **Liberal ** of making an offer that was beneath contempt. Before everyone decides he did not weasal out of said offer, lets address the offer itself.

Is the Dope now going to have posters openly buying people off the board?
Is this the best way to handle someone that is disagreeable?
Do you want to be on a board where everyone is agreeable?
Do we really want to entertain suggestions like EddyTeddyFreddy’s to vote people off?

I do not want to **Liberal ** or pseudotriton ruber ruber to leave the dope. They both help to keep it interesting.

Jim

Don’t get ahead of yourself here. No one, least of all Liberal, ever actually made an offer for anyone else, least of all me, to leave the Dope. What liberal did was to pretend to make such an offer, and I demonstrated his utter insincerity by agreeing to his fake offer, at which point all the backtracking, extra (and impossible) terms, weaseling, etc. emerged. Let’s be very clear here on what has happened so far. It’s fairly simple, except for those whose agenda necessitates Liberal’s smelling good after this humiliating exercise.

I hope I’m not being included in the “those”. I thought the whole offer thing was a ridiculous clusterfuck from the get-go and the “outcome” is more of a punchline than a resolution.

Yep. Liberal giving money to charity has zip to do with prr. It’s fine if he does it, but it doesn’t make his offer less of a weasel.
Edited to add: Also, I have no standing to accept or reject some offer of money on behalf of someone else. It’s prr he weaseled out on, not me.

I don’t much care for you, in fact I often find your posts irritatingly smug and unnecessarily abrasive. That said, I agree here with your analysis. All the parsing of terms is irrelevant to the underlying rhetorical flourish gone bad. Shame on you, for having agreed to an offer whose purpose was to provoke you into a screaming match with the offeror!

What Exit?, you do know I was joking, right? Trying (and I guess failing) to satirize the silliness? I mean, really – asking Bricker to come in and do a legal exegesis on offer and acceptance concerning the exchange – how ridiculous is that?

Great. Two offers, and I’m still under a dollar. Either I have to be a much bigger asshole, or I gotta start pissing off a better class of poster!

Tris

I did recognize it for parody. I thought it was funny for that matter. I thought the vote people off was a fair humorous reply. I am mostly afraid some people would think it was a good idea. :wink:

Jim

‘$’

Every time you weasel I blow some cash (I’m loaded).

You really are a cunt. When you’re spending your substantial allowances on charities and whatnot remember how much your integrity was worth.

I’m not defending anyone’s honor. This just seemed very straightforward to me. I don’t know Liberal at all…certainly not well enough to take his side based on anything other than what I see in this thread, actually. I know he’s been posting a lot lately, but I don’t know him from before, because I joined while he apparently was on hiatus. Although so far I find him to be an interesting poster, he hasn’t said anything that would make me think that he and I are some kind of SDMB soulmates, or anything.

In fact, I have never defended him…or you…on anything ever, that I can recall, so I really have no precedence for being “up anyone’s ass.” So, sorry, your little petty insults are pretty uncalled-for and off-base here.