No, you are ignoring the fact that I said the same thing about both positions - you just picked the side that made you the victim. I said, “Liberals and conservatives do not have the same view of the world. It is impossible to reach the other side because the world looks totally different to them.”
I seriously think you are only capable of seeing one world view - yours
I seriously think I am only capable of seeing one world view - mine
What is a klaven?
you said something quite different in the following post. I’ll quote it for you again:
Are you retracting that?
What is a klaven?
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A local KKK group. Kind of like a Rotary group except with burning crosses, and bedsheets.
Keep it in context.
I was replying to someone who attacked conservatives. I gave more on my opinions and observations and none of those opinions are an attack.
They are just my observations.
I think the conservative position is simpler, therefore it easier to get elected and to explain then the more complex liberal position.
I never attacked you or any party or position.
I am not going to continue with this. I was hoping to find someone to give me another point of view but I find your attempt to smear me and others with KKK references and other racist stuff disgusting. How pathetic do you have to be?
Pretty pathetic. After all, I’m just a conservative and not capable of debating your position.
You can “play” with your (which is in a different zip-code by itself no doubt as are all your “gifts”) all-absorbing macho ego all you like, but attempting to smear me with obscure KKK references is beyond the pale. Point being YOU are the motherfucker that is all for Government measures that will only help the already wealthy.
Meanwhile I have seven employees – all “minorities” by your standards – who have grown and prospered in the close to six years I’ve been here. To my detriment? From your POV more than likely as they wouldn’t have been hard to replace for cheaper and just as effective labor. But not for mine. Loyalty is a trait that is still very high on my list. Regardless of color or race.
Now you may take the cheapest shot at me that you can come up with (meaning better than all the weak shit you’ve thrown my way before) and it won’t bother me one bit. Not only I am done and over with you, I’ve finally scrapped you off my shoe. A Zapatos LG for that matter, combined with an off the rack, perfect Canali 42 long and Tag Heuer frames.
You haven’t got shit on me and you never will.
Deal. Or keep bragging. It’ll only make you twice the fool you already are.
That’s an unfair generalization. We don’t think you have to be an asshole to be conservative. You could be a very nice person who is also stupid through and through. 
Kidding… partially. I do think that anybody who buys the entire kit and caboodle of conservatism probably lies on a spectrum somewhere between cruel and stupid. But there are a few conservative positions that require neither cruelty nor stupidity, just priorities that I consider severely misplaced.
Let’s face it. That’s human nature. As Wittgenstein said, if there were a verb meaning “to believe falsely”, it would have no significant first-person present indicative form. When it comes down to it, we all feel like we’re good, in control, and in the know. Thus anyone with a different opinion must differ in one of those important qualities. You can try to look like you’re taking the high road and pretend that isn’t the case, but you’re only fooling yourself.
I see. So out of fear of Godwinization and in search of something ‘innocuous’ and not ‘too over the top’, you come into this thread, a thead in which I’ve been accused of racism several times already, and imply that the logical extension of me as a person would be a Ku Klux Klansman and that the logical extension of my remarks would be typical of a Klansman?
And then you say you don’t think I’m a racist. :rolleyes:
You sir, are not only a liar but a damned liar.
Sure, you’re pretty good at cloaking yourself in the appearance of even-handedness and reasonablity, but if you’ll pardon a mixed metaphor, when it gets down to the nut-cuttin’, you’re as big a douchebag as anyone.
Nonsense, you miss the point, or evade it, one or the other. Its simply that the context that the speaker inhabits (in the case, the Klansman) makes it impossible to give a reasoned ear to his argument. One already knows the argument, one cannot expect any surprises, and one already knows that the Klansman’s argument is rubbish.
Now, perhaps, if you were so fortunate as to have never heard such an “argument”, you might be somewhat obligated to pay civil and thoughtful attention. For as long as it takes you to catch on.
Big Svin made a direct reference to the clumsiness of his analogy in an effort to clarify his point, only a determined reading could find an insult.
(For your encore, I’d like to request “Don’t Cry for Me, Argentina”, just don’t try and hit that high note this time.)
Yes, but I don’t see anywhere near the rage, intransigence, desire for repressiveness, and sheer hatred for the other side that has typified the face of liberalism the last 40 years or so…and which I might add is especially evident on this board, especially since the nomination of Sarah Palin.
Conservatives, by and large, want to conserve what they feel is good in and about society. Liberals have been wanting, and still want, to make wholesale changes in society and so they take on the angry aggitator role. Or what I always thought was a role. Now it appears that the impatience, insults, bullying, bias and hatred that I always thought was merely a tactic to bully people into acquiescence is the way they really are.
I recall once when I was in the second or third grade, one of my teachers made the remark (I don’t remember the what brought it on, but it was in response to something another kid in class said) that impassioned do-gooders were a far greater threat to the welfare of society than any criminal element. She then pointed out that this is because they lack discipline and perspective and reflexively insist on taking action without regard to consequence.
Little did she know they don’t even care about consequence, and if you point it out to them after the fact, all they’ll do is mock you for caring about it in the first place, and/or insist that the consequences don’t matter because whatever it was that was inflaming them is better now.
And on preview, elucidator, I got the point ahem, excuse perfectly, thank you very much. And I’m calling bullshit both over his choice of anology and his claims that he didn’t intend to imply exactly what he did.
:dubious: So, the only question left is: have you been in a cave? On Mars? With your eyes closed and your fingers in your ears?
Now, now, S_A, I know you’ve got a lot of time and effort invested in parading your supposed victimization here, but whether or not someone or other has actually referred to you as a racist in this thread, it doesn’t matter, because I don’t think you are one, nor apparently do several other posters who have commented here.
So, IMO you are not a racist. Feel free to ask me if I think you’re silly, though.
Thank you.
I think.
All bickering aside, that’s not a brag-on-the-internet type ensemble.
It’s perfectly nice but you don’t say “Behold! My Chevy Malibu.” you just drive it.
Seriously, a good custom made suit, like Talia or Xenia is just gonna fit and drape in a way you can’t compare with anything off the rack. You’ll get full silk lining, a design amenable to future alterations, none of that glue in the lapels that makes them all wavy. The lining protects the outer fabric in some way that I don’t understand so that they don’t get shiny as fast. More expensive in the short run, but truly more economical due to a much longer wearable life without compromising appearance.
Same for the shoes. Get yourself these:
http://www.aldenshop.com/DrawOneShoe.asp?CategoryID=107
Take care of them and you’ll be wearing them when you’re 100. There are more expensive or pretentious shoes and materials out there, but there’s not much better in quality at any price. Timeless, classic, impressive. They will mold to your feet in a year or so. Once they do you will never put on anything as comfortable.
You have said you are done with me, and I appreciate that. I consider that a gift you have bestowed upon me, as my highest wish for you is that you ignore me. I would return this favor with the above advice, which I swear is excellent, and I promise that you will be very happy if you follow it.
Trust me on this.
I would substitute the word “conservatism” for liberal here and express the identical sentiment. I don’t know how you can accuse liberals of rage and desire for repressiveness when conservatives have shown a rather vicious sort of hypocritical repression towards gays in an effort to deprive them of their equal rights. How about having my patriotism and love of country questioned because I didn’t support the war in Iraq? Yeah, I’ll take the Pepsi challenge on who is more enraged, intransigent, repressive, and hateful, the liberals or conservatives.
In the context of his post to which you are responding, Jimmy the Greek had no part.
SA was referring to the recent thread Why were all the top 100 meters runners black? in which the OP’s question received several different answers for nine posts until DSYoungEsq posted (in post #11) “Why is everyone dancing around this issue?”
The problem with the OP’s question, of course, is that it makes assumptions based on nothing but skin color and ignores the wide variation among all the dfferent populations of humans who happen to be of relatively recent African decent, lumping widely differing populations under the simplistic marker of “black,” then implicitly presuming (or pretending) that all the people identified as “black” have some common characteristics beyond skin color.
::: shrug ::: We go through that dance several times a year, often with the same cast of characters.
You forgot "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!!! I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I!!! LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!!!
But otherwise, we have a winner.
I’m afraid that on this point I am in complete agreement with Rubystreak. It was not “liberals” who turned fire hoses and dogs on peaceful marchers. It was not “liberals” who incited the Chicago police to riot in the summer of 1968. It was not a “liberal” cop who knocked a classmate of mine off the steps of the Detroit Institue of Art because my classmate was taking pcitures of a peaceful demonstration, telling him he had no right to be on that public property. My extended in-laws* who trash numerous Thanksgiving dinners with their hateful comments toward blacks and Jews and immigrants and “pointy headed professors” all vote straight Republican.
I agree that there has been a lot of hatred and contempt displayed by people on the Left. I think that the trend on college campuses to shout down speakers from the politiacl Right is despicable. However, the idea that all the hatred emanates from the Left or that the Left destroyed all civility despite the best efforts of the Right is just silly. The first speeches I saw interrupted with organized crowds haranguing the speaker and the audience were ones in which the speakers were “liberal” and the protestors were “conservative.”
Tomndeb:
I agree with your above post.
I also wanted to mention that I’m in admiration of the example your recent posting provides while being chagrined by an inability to emulate it.
FWIW
I did not realize he was referring to another SDMB thread. I thought he was referring to this incident on a similar topic. Thank you for clarifying this, though I think you’ve concisely debunked his specious point.
No, but nor does it necessarily follow that it was conservatives either. To a very large degree it was police and national guard units which were deployed by city/state/federal politicians…many of whom, if not overwhelmingly so, were Democrats. It has been my observation also that cops in general get pissed off anyway when they’re called out to do crowd control anyway, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if a fair amount of the abuse that was heaped upon civil rights marchers was due to that.
Plus, all this was going on in the early to mid-sixties, well before the cultural revolution that I’m blaming for much of the ill that exists in today’s society. But regardless, it was awful behavior toward a peaceful, well-dressed and well-behaved group of people striving to create a better life for themselves. I have no quarrel with anyone who says that was a disgraceful time and an abominable series of events.
I’ve omitted your reference to the '68 riot because my memories of events leading up to it are hazy, and because it happened 40 years ago and has little relevance to the right vs. left political discourse since. I also omitted your reference to the individual cop who assaulted your friend because not only do we not know (at least not from your description) whether he was a Democrat, Republican or perhaps even apolitical. And again, it has very little if any significance regarding the way each side behaves.
Hell, I’ve said worse about college professors here myself.
I would agree though about your extended in-laws, but I’d also point out that there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of similar discussions going on all the time in private homes around the country and involving people of both ideological persuasions. They don’t really play into the types of public castigation and hatred that I’ve been talking about.
Indeed. And remember I’m looking at things from a 40 to 50 year perspective. Virtually all the impassioned, insulting public rhetoric I’ve seen since the late sixties has come from the left, usually as reported from this or that political rally. And the impact and bias of this rhetoric has been nurtured and magnified by movies and television shows depicting conservatives/businessmen/Christians as being either dumb, laughably out of it, uptight and repressed, unscrupulous and greedy, or selfish and bigoted. All of this creates a great deal of hatred, IMO, because those who are predisposed to liberal politics grow increasing outraged over just how stupid, dorky, mean, evil and greedy that conservatives/Republicans really are and then can’t understand why they make up such a large portion of the population and the electorate keeps electing Republican politicians.
Which leads me to your next point:
I do too. I also believe that much of the left’s hatred for conservatives is created and nourished in the country’s college and university system. What I view as proof of this is that I hardly ever see anyone fresh out of high-school with the seething hatred for conservatives and Republicans that virtual legions of them have by the time they leave college.
I agree…and that’s why I never said such a thing. I have never, in this thread or elsewhere, contended that all the hatred emanate from the left, nor have I ever said anything about the left destroying civility despite the best efforts of the right.
Frankly, the right never really had access to even making a best effort until the advent of Rush Limbaugh. Prior to that time and going back to the late sixties, virtually all the societal pressure coming from news and entertainment magazines, movies and television, the music business, and television news sources were promoting the liberal viewpoint and doing everything they could to cast conservatives in a bad light.All this had it’s effect, too, in engendering left-wing hatred for the right.
I don’t doubt that you are correct. I’m not saying no ill has ever been propogated by the right, or that we are perfect or always correct. But I will say that for every such instance as this, I could quite possibly show you hundreds of the same types of behavior coming from lefties toward conservative speakers.
And on preview, tom, let me add my appreciation for your posting style lately to Scylla’s. I read this post shortly before I had to leave to run some errands and I left it up on my computer screen because I was impressed with the way you presented your argument and I wanted to answer it in kind without being distracted by subsequent posts. To the degree that I have moderated some of my views (the bulk of leftie hatred coming from only a small percentage of it’s adherents, for example), it has been because of posts like yours.
Cheers.