No, if you don’t like you say “No thank you” or “Interesting, but it’s not my cup of tea”. “Ew, gross” is never nice.
Just because something is an opinion doesn’t make expressing it consequence or impact free.
No, if you don’t like you say “No thank you” or “Interesting, but it’s not my cup of tea”. “Ew, gross” is never nice.
Just because something is an opinion doesn’t make expressing it consequence or impact free.
Man I tell ya…the conflation of these two things is really getting hard to wade through.
I enjoy having this conversation, however, getting bogged down in “This is what you said” and “No, I didn’t say that” is kinda bullshit, and not conducive to a worthwhile discussion.
Not caring what other people think of my opinion on gays kissing openly is NOT the same as deciding I won’t have a conversation on an anonymous message board about that opinion.
In the real world, when rebuffed by someone who dislikes or disapproves of my stating “Gross” to a gay couple kissing - I would express to them my apathy for their disapproval with a hearty “Get bent”.
Here on the internet, I rather enjoy conversing with you folk about not just my opinion, but many others’ opinions, because it’s engaging. You can’t have that kind of conversation in the real world because people get all emotional, froth at the mouth, carry the conversation onto a tangent, **or **don’t care enough about you as a person to engage you in the conversation.
Get it?
All of which would be understandable if you were 12, but since you probably aren’t, it suggests a maturity issue. Do you seriously walk down the street rolling your eyes and saying “aw come on dude” or “gross” every time you see something you personally find un-arousing?
See, it doesn’t always end there. Some kid who looks up to you watches you do that and internalizes the whole “gays are bad, m’kay?” thing. Then they hang around with their peers who are much more immature and vocal in their beliefs, and Jr. joins in more loudly than he would’ve before. After that, the slide can be easy if you’ve ever witnessed some pack animals that are scared of what they don’t understand. So, the point is that vocalizing your disgust in something that’s perfectly normal helps to stigmatize it. If I were disgusted by certain minorities, my attitude would certainly be contributing to a culture that makes things more difficult for them. Surely you can grasp that.
Also, I have things that I find disgusting as well. Fortunately, I see no reason to use poor manners and share that with anyone, nor is it important to make that public in any way. Mama done taught me better.
Wait- you would actually say “gross” if you saw two guys kissing?
Seriously?
Think anything you want, but put a filter in it before it comes out of your mouth!
What are you, twelve?
Bolding mine: I grasp it, and I’m not terribly concerned about my role in the downward spiral of our society. I don’t feel that my impact is all that great. Surely the truth will shine through, and the right course will become self evident.
Oh, so we have to pick and choose which of our opinions we pass on to the next generation based solely on the prevailing winds of public opinion?
Nah. The kid can make up his own mind when he grows up. I don’t think it’s normal for two guys to kiss. That’s my present opinion, and I’m comfortable with it. I don’t blast it from the street corner, but I’m not inclined to hide it. To hell with those who feel I should.
You kinda did, but OK.
But you DO care, and care profoundly, what people think of your opinion. You care so much that you said you “will not accept being labelled as “disrespectful” or “bigoted” because I don’t like something.”
You can’t say you simply will not accept a label, then claim that other people’s opinions don’t matter. You are trying to sway their opinions, not ignore them.
I get it now. You’re such an iconoclast, that your actions (That you’re secure in!) don’t impact anyone, not even the gay friend you have. Of course. Well then, since you’re determined to continue behaving like a tweenager, I say (in a way you’ll understand) “Knock your gnarly self out, dude! Keep on being righteous!” Then we’ll fist bump and you can go on living your life balls to the wall.
Whoohoo!!
I don’t think it’s reasonable to try to draw a line between the sin and sinner . . . er, I mean the gross and gross-er.
Expressing an opinion that gay kissing is gross or inappropriate is functionally the same thing as expressing the opinion that being gay is gross or inappropriate.
Analogy time:
“I hate it when I see black men kissing white women. It’s just gross and I shouldn’t have to see that. I just can’t help how I feel”
Maybe you can’t help how you feel, but by expressing that opinion, by acting out on that opinion in front of your kid, you’re intentionally modeling bigotry. This is the same situation. You are entitled to hang onto your current emotional responses (instead of trying to work through them), but just because they are how you feel doesn’t make them right.
I’m seizing on this because I’m not obese and I’m not a woman. When you comment to your friends and walk away, you’re being a jerk. You can feel how you feel, but in polite society, if you are disgusted by a human being choosing to do something that other people can do without its being disgusting (= wear a bathing suit, kiss), then the burden is on you to show no reaction. Even to your little troglodyte friends.
Go find a fat woman. It’s America, there’s lots of them. Ask her how it feels to go the beach or a pool. Go on: ask her, and really listen. You have no clue what it’s like to be in her position, or in mine, and your puerile judgements are more disgusting than any ack of public fucking I could commit. I’m not inclined to make out in public, but just holding hands is a risk in most places. A serious, people-may-attack-me risk. That’s because (A) a lot of people have your attitude, but with less restraint, and (B) people like you don’t do anything to stop a culture where that enforcement of norms is acceptable.
Your task for today is to go apologize to a fat woman for being a jerk.
“Will not accept” = “Lend you no further credence” - meaning, I write you off, and move on to greener pastures.
Any minute now?
Man, the umbrage is turned up to 11 in this one. “in polite society” is not a place I often find myself.
If people *attacked *you for holding hands, or kissing, I’d come to your (or any other random gay stranger) defense, because that’s bullshit. I may not personally like what you’re doing, but I also believe strongly in your right to do it. Same as I believe in my right to not like it.
Violently acting out is not the same as expressing dislike. And short of you telling me to buzz off because you could handle yourself, I’d probably lay a boot to someone’s neck for being such a douchebag.
I applaud you here, this is great. I can almost see you saying it, and I appreciate both your tone, and intent.
Can’t happen. Because he doesn’t really care, he just plays at it on teh interwebs.
On this I bet no truer words have ever been spoken. Most 12 yr olds don’t concern themselves with polite society after all.
Oh noes grown up noogies!
It doesn’t look like anyone else has answered this, so I’ll say that IMHO season four really was this bad. While season three felt like a weak season of Glee, season four felt like a weak season of an entirely different, much more boring show.
But if you’re still interested in the show (as I am, although I’m not sure why at this point) here are the Cafe Society threads about last season and the current season:
Glee season four (open spoilers through most recent US broadcast)
Glee season five (open spoilers through most recent US broadcast)
Thank you for noticing I asked a serious question that was on topic. I don’t want to look at those threads if there are open spoilers. However, if season four really is as bad as I keep hearing, we’ll probably have to hang up our Glee hat now.
Longtime kimchee eater here. If you ask me, the idea of sauerkraut makes me go “Ugh, gross” . . . though I realize we all come from sauerkraut. But like you said, it’s just an opinion.
Just sayin’.
It took me a minute to figure out if we were still analogizing or not.
A lot of Americans and those from other developed countries feel ok about sniping at second- and third-world issues; anything ranging from food to foreign policies. But they’re scared to death of expressing their feelings towards minorities within their constituency. This strange behavior is apparent even in the smartest forum on the internet. Count the number of “Is it racist to …?” threads to date.
Confused.