"Thats not real punk" SHUT UP!!!

I was perusing the boards this morning and ran across this thread http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=92071 concerning whether or not MxPx is still Christian, which in and of itself doesnt bother me… but I’ll tell you what DOES bother me (And of course you want to know, right? Heh. Go with me here)

Goddamn ignorant fucks who feel its their place to decide what -is- and -isn’t- punk.
Now its not that I dont love you all as people… God knows I love my boyfriend and he does this ALL THE TIME.

But good fucking christ on a pogo ball!! Sex Pistols are considered punk. MxPx are considered Punk.

Even shudder Blink182 is punk. Citing http://www.allmusic.com :

Punk Rock returned rock & roll to the basics — three chords and a simple melody. It just did it louder and faster and more abrasively than any other rock & roll in the past.

They list Sex Pistols, Greenday, Bad Religion, and Letters to Cleo.

Now in all honesty, I dont know who originally decided what was and wasn’t punk… but I will tell you that I am sick and fucking tired of everyone trying to redefine it just because they’re so damned afraid of being “mainstream”.

I’m tired of “real punk” being “this song you’ve never heard by a band you’ve never heard of” and then… as soon as you hear it… they’re “sell outs” and “not REAL punk”.

Get Over Yourselves.

Music is a cornerstone of individuality. It seems like more and more I see people pigeonholing music to somehow make themselves feel superior to(or maybe more knowledgable than) the rest of us…

…And to me… thats just pathetic.
/half-assed rant

That’s not a real rant.

you make a damn good point.

I’m quite glad to hear it.

I find it kinda (see: terribly obliquely) similar to these freaks who insist on comparing anyone and everyone to the Beatles. I love the Beatles. The Beatles did some great stuff. They were not, however, the “end-all”. There is no “next Beatles”, because, damnit the Beatles broke up 30 years ago… and they did not get back together, and therefore there is no more “Beatles”.

I think I’ll start a “fake punk” band now…

I almost spit Pepsi through my nose when I read this.

Haha. Thanks for making me smile. hides her smile, this IS the pit, after all…

Just like all the other goths are not goth.

Poser.

Fuck off!

[sub]now thats punk![/sub]

HEY! HEY HEY HEY!!! I just noticed my post count!! Alright, who’s throwing me a punkrock post party??? :smiley:

i dont care about you! fuck you!

now thats punk.

Huhhh? Whaaa…

::gets up off floor, still smells like smoke::

Hey, what time is it?

::looks at friends still sleeping on couch, squints at sun coming in through windows, sounds of cars honking::

Man, I’m hungry

::grabs copy of MRR, bag of chips, sits back down::

Now, that is punk

I guess people just need something to talk about, so they might as well talk about whether a band/shop/person/T-shirt is really punk or not. But really, debating whether a band is ‘punk enough’ is about as intelligent as the old metalhead warcry of ‘Death to false metal’ and ‘If you’re not into metal, then you’re not my friend’. At least when Manowar were saying those things, they were doing it tongue in cheek - hell, any group with a Dictators connection shouldn’t be taken over seriously.

MRR is everything that is wrong with punk rock, as are thirteen year olds at gigs who think they need to be violent and act like they’re drunk (even though the strongest thing they’ve drunk is Diet Pepsi), as are people who really care which ‘sub-category’ some particular shitkicker band belong in.

The biggest problem with punk is that so many punk fans can’t see outside their little punk world, and therefore, when you play something from another style of music (like a Johnny Cash or Miles Davis record), they say something like “Man, those dudes were really punks”, when these folks have nothing to do with punk - they just happen to be good music that lots of people can enjoy.

But argueing over wether or not somethng is punk rock is one of the most punk rock things you can possible do!

Oh God, I admit that I, on a regular basis, point out random unrelated stuff that I think is good and say “Now thats punk rock”.

Although I think it would be wise to take that, and anything a punk rocker says, with a good grain of salt (or a dead sea full). Punk rockers may not have subtlty down yet, but they sure have a good grasp of irony.

That is punk rock…Punks not dead…ummmm…we miss ya Joey Ramone…fuck you!

whew.

When punk rock actually existed, in the late seventies and early eighties, a lot of it was a reaction against brown-nosing corporate whores like Green Day and Blink 182, who sound exactly like that Van Halen shit used to back then.

Punk ain’t no religious cult
Punk means thinking for yourself
You ain’t hardcore cos you spike your hair
When a jock still lives inside your head

Jello said it; it’s gotta be true. :wink:

[SLC Punk]Anarchy in the UK![/SLC Punk]

Fuck you Rasa!!!

oh shit…hang on…[/punk]

Thank you, Rasa :slight_smile:
[sub] TheOtherOne, who is so gothic, he’s dead[/sub]

Letters to Cleo is punk? I’ve been kind of following their career for a while, and don’t recall ever seeing them called a punk band.

A good take on punk, written by my favoritest little punk, Mercutio. (Which I find amusing, because he wasn’t born when the punk movement was big, and he’s got a better grasp on it than most people I know…)

If you don’t like it, fuck off. Or not. I don’t care. Oi!

Alright, then, who wants to fuck me?!?

Sigh…always the same hands.

Everyone knows that punk is just derivative. :rolleyes:

Well, everything’s derivative, mags. A music’s real aesthetic comes from what it’s derivative of.
Anyway, I don’t get into the “real punk” elitist arguments because I don’t really care, but I will point out that the original punk ethos was equal parts philosophy and music, and streamlining your sound/lyrics to get radio play and make lots of money a la Blink 182 were considered mainstream tactics that didn’t fit into the whole punk mindset. Some people believed in this philosophy, and resented others corrupting the message, much like most religions denounce the extremist zealots of their particular faith.
Then again, the Sex Pistols and The Clash both had chart hits, so cries of “sell-out” should be taken with a grain of salt.

If you were a real punk you would have gotten my sarcastic imitation of punks arguing about music. :stuck_out_tongue: As jarbabyj is my witness, I hate the expression “it’s so derivative” as a slam of music.