The 100 Most Influential People - Try the Third

Round 2

Inventor. Christopher Columbus

Leader. Adolf Hitler

Philosophy. Thomas Jefferson

Religion. ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab

Science. Enrico Fermi

Invention. Francisco Pizarro
Leader. Alexander the Great
Philosophy. Ludwig von Beethoven
Religion. Oliver Cromwell
Science. Galileo Galilei

My reasons:
Pizarro - just one of many adventurers of dubious morals roaming round South America in the 16th century
Alexander - sure he created a huge empire, but it only lasted about 5 minutes before he was dead and it was gone. Only lasting difference was which ruling dynasties presided over the broken up bits.
Beethoven - musicians out first in the “influence” stakes
Cromwell - about the only one on the list whose influence was limited almost entirely to his own country
Galileo - not by any means the only scientist of his era to know the earth goes round the sun, just the one the Catholic hierarchy most famously got in a snit with.

Inventions. Christopher Columbus
Leader. Charlemagne
Philosophy. Lao Tzu
Religion. Mani
Science. William Harvey

Invention. Francisco Pizarro
Leader. John F Kennedy
Philosophy. Mencius
Religion. Mani
Science. Sigmund Freud

Inventors. Francisco Pizarro
Leaders. Simon Bolivar
Philosophy. Johann Sebastian Bach
Religion. Zoraster
Science. Antonine Laurent Lavoisier

Inventions. Vasco de Gama
Leader. Menes
Philosophy. Malthus
Religion. Mani
Science. Werner Heisenberg

de Gama – I mean, the Cape of Good Hope was RIGHT THERE; someone was going to find it.
Menes – how different would the world be if Ancient Egypt and not been united under Menes? Not much, ISTM.
Malthus – I don’t know much about him, but he tied for the most votes last time, so…
Mani – Manichaeism had a role in the formation of orthodox Christianity, but so did several other popular heresies - and this was not the most influential.
Heisenberg – it’s just too early to say that quantum mechanics has had the same influence on the world that other discoveries in the list have had.

Invention.Alexander Graham Bell
Leader.Mikhail Gorbachev
Arts.Ludwig von Beethoven
Religion.Mani
Science.Galileo Galilei

My first four votes are exactly the same as the last time. SInce Freud is off the Science list, there aren’t any easy, obvious people to boot off. All the nominees on that list are genuinely brilliant, impressive and important.

I vote off Galileo because his contributions seem less groundbreaking than those of the others on the list.

Inventions. Christopher Columbus

Leader. Mikhail Gorbachev

Philosophy and Arts. Thomas Malthus

Religion. Oliver Cromwell

Science. William Conrad Roentgen

Inventions. Ts’ai Lun
Leader. Simon Bolivar
Philosophy and Arts. Voltaire
Religion. John Calvin
Science. William Harvey

Inventions. Francisco Pizarro
Leader. Peter the Great
Philosophy and Arts. Thomas Malthus
Religion. Justinian
Science. William Conrad Roentgen

On reflection, I think the late 19th & 20th century physicists who contributed to quantum & atomic theory suffer from the fact that there were so many of them who contributed (including several not on the list such as Niels Bohr and Erwin Schrodinger, to name two). Of the 19th & 20th century physicists, Roentgen seems the least impressive to me. Of the others, I have three carry-overs; I’ve already detailed my objections to Malthus and Justinian; Pizarro is another who basically accomplished what probably would have happened anyway in another decade or two, maybe with a larger army than he had. Peter the Great took Russia from being a backward but powerful nation to being… a backward but powerful nation.

Inventions. Vasco de Gama
Leader. Simon Bolivar
Philosophy and Arts. Thomas Malthus
Religion. Mani
Science. Antonine Laurent Lavoisier

Invention. Vasco de Gama
Leader. Simon Bolivar
Philosophy. Rene Descartes
Religion. Zoroaster
Science. Leonhard Euler

I hope Columbus gets out. I have no idea what makes him so great.

Inventors. Vasco De Gama
Leaders. Queen Isabella I
Philosophy. Nicoli Machiavelli
Religion. Mani
Science. Antonine Laurent Lavoisier

4 carry-overs, new one being Mani.

Galweigan, we’re in the second round. Three of your choices have already been voted off the island.

Round 2 categories.

Round 2 votes:

Inventions. Orville and Wilbur Wright
Leader. Menes
Philosophy and Arts. Rene Descrates
Religion. Zoraster
Science. Werner Heisenberg

Menes: Because he’s virtually a legendary character. And I figure somebody would have unified Egypt as some point.
Zoraster: His religion was a big deal for a long time but Islam has pretty much wiped it out in modern history.

Inventor. Ts’ai Lun
Leader. Shi Huang Di
Philosophy. Thomas Jefferson
Religion. Mani
Science. William Harvey

I don’t really get it when people vote for (possibly) legendary characters. Does that mean that if they were atheists they would vote for God as “least influential”? Popular belief in myths and legends can give fictional events and characters (at least) as much influence on the history of mankind as many real events and people have had.

Inventor. Francisco Pizarro
Leader. Shi Huang Di
Philosophy. Rene Descartes
Religion. Mani
Science. James Clerk Maxwell

Maxwell is the only one of my first-round choices who’s still in the running.

I guess you win the Feud variant for round 1. Congratulations! :wink:

Inventor. Vasco de Gama
Leader. Menes
Philosophy. Homer
Religion. Mani
Science. Johannes Kepler