You mean James Harrison. He’s the one who gets held on every single play. Jerome Harrison is the best running back ever to live. I understand your reflexive invoking of his name though, I often wake up, startled, saying that name.
Don’t forget it got reduced by 50%. or 33%. Not sure how you do the math on that one.
Edit: As for the corner thing, yeah, they underperformed there. Eric Wright has been having a rough year after 2 very good ones. I did comment earlier about the corner depth not being lacking - we have #3 and #4 corners that aren’t much dropoff from the starters. They were put out on an island quite a bit, the blitzing was very aggressive this game and used safeties frequently. I guess they expected the rapist to be rustier than he was.
James Harrison. James. And SenorBeef, if you ever wanted to see what sour grapes look like, here it is. The Bengals were one-year wonders, and sure enough, here come the excuses and lame-o complaints about the Steelers now that the Bengals are overcome by the cancer that I predicted would surely infect them.
Still think TO was a good signing, FoieGrasisEvil? He’s having a hell of a season. Too bad football is a team game. And what’s the difference from last year? You got it. Enjoy your futility.
How do you feel about the two concussion-inducing hits btw? I’d like to see them again before declaring anything definitive, but I think those hits draw flags 90-95% of the time - even sometimes when they’re clean.
Edit: FWIW, I wasn’t outraged when they happened. I think the NFL goes too far to protect receivers and often the difference between a penalty/fine is whether or not the player actually catches the ball after the defender has already lunged. If a defender lungers at a player when the ball is about to hit their hands, and the player catches it and it gets jarred loose, it’s sometimes not called. But if you take the very same play, with the same lunge, where the player misses the ball, it’s almost always a flag. Seems silly to me.
Incidentally, are you only calling him out for sour grapes or me too? Cause we’re saying the same kind of stuff.
I didn’t mean to say that your win was illegitimate. The Browns aren’t getting enough credit this year for playing competitively, and I was miffed at your comment earlier in the thread that it wouldn’t be. I really think with Wallace in there it would’ve been.
Well they may get fined here. It would be unusual for them to get a fine without getting a flag, though, wouldn’t it? The #1 and #2 receivers, one of whom happens to be the returner that burns you every year, knocked out by concussions in the same game. That’s efficient. I’m surprised you guys didn’t manage to have Hines Ward shiv one of the safeties 15 seconds after the play was over.
It’s a man’s game. They know the risks and they play anyway.
Should they be fined? Maybe. It’s not for me to say.
As someone who suffered two major concussions in a short period of time, the second of which has caused what I believe to be lasting injury, I say that football players have to decide for themselves whether or not they want to continue knowing the potential for lifelong injury. They are adults and can make informed decisions about what they do and the consequences of that decision, can they not?
Well that’s… Philosophical. And I don’t really disagree. But I meant by the standards the NFL generally uses… The boat on whether or not there should be rules and penalties has sailed.
Yes TO was a good signing. He’s been our best receiver so far. The Bengals not beating opponents they should have has absolutely zero to do with Terrell Owens. He isn’t complaining, the fans are, and rightly so. Our offensive line penalties are atrocious (lead the league in false starts), Palmer is playing like shit, we aren’t running the ball like last season, our defense outside of our two CB’s is average, TO and Chad are dropping balls more than usual (and running incomplete routes, fucking up Palmer’s reads) and our offensive coordinator should be sacked for calling ridiculously bad plays in crucial situations.
Other than that, hey, its a great year to be a Bengals fan!
:rolleyes:
I remember 2 weeks ago a lot of the talking heads were talking about TJ Ward’s hit on Shipley (which I don’t even think was very bad but maybe I need to watch it again) was inappropriate and he needs to be made an example of and blah blah… and Harrison hits were worse and more intentional than that, and so far not a peep from anyone.
Video of the two Harrison hits. The announcers make up some BS about the Cribbs hit being legit because he was a runner, but I’m pretty sure deliberately spearing with the top of your helmet is a penalty against anyone. Harrison clearly drops his head at the last second to spear him. Not only is it clearly intentional, but they were delivered with level of brutality he usually reserves for his girlfriend.
Intentional? I guess NFL players like giving money to the league, eh? Why else would they do what they do? As I said before, they play the game, they take a player’s chance.
That said, let’s all pray for (or for those of you that don’t pray, wish the best to) Eric LeGrand, another player who took a player’s chance and now may pay for it forever.
That’s how it goes. For my part, I have an 8-year-old son who is 4’6", 90 pounds (i.e. huge for his age), and if he wants to play I’ll let him, but I would never force it upon him. Fortunately for me he has not chosen that path, instead preferring soccer, which cost me a concussion (which I already spoke of, goaltending being a bitch), two broken fingers,a dislocated shoulder, and knee problems that will last me the rest of my life.
Such is the choices we make.
Again, intentional? I doubt it very much. Get a grip. Harrison stood as much chance of being injured as both of the Browns’ players who were. It’s not like we’re talking about Charles Martin here.
How could it not be considered intentional? He lowers his head directly at the other guy’s helmet right before he makes the hit. I mean, unintentional helmet to helmet happens all the time - maybe a guy tries to brace himself and lower his head, which makes the tackler hit the guy in the helmet instead of the shoulder - but this looks like pretty clear cut deliberate spearing.
I suppose if your team sucks - if your corners suck and your offensive line sucks, too - all you are left with is whining and crying.
However, neither of these hits is especially problematic to me. The real problem, in my opinion, is that when you include the hit on the receiver in with the hit on the quarterback, it makes it especially clear that you aren’t really thinking these things through and are just trying to get some butthurt resolved. Because I can see someone who wanted to find fault pointing to the hit on Cribbs and making a bit of an argument. I find it dubious because Harrison was coming around another player and didn’t particularly have all that much time to line up any kind of a shot. It was more or less a flukey kind of helmet to helmet hit. Harrison never left his feet and couldn’t know how or where Cribbs was going to end up, let alone line him up to tag him.
The second one, however, is purely pathetic whining. Harrison delivers a blow largely with his arms to the upper body of the receiver. Pointing to that one undermines any argument you have about the first, because nobody in their right mind is going to have any kind of a problem with the hit on Massaquoi. Arguing about that one is just crying that James Harrison was too mean and hits too hard.