The fact that your argument has needed to shift to ‘it’s a managed coup attempt which is being expertly managed to fail’ should indicate to you the weakness of your position, right?
How many Senators end up voting to object to Biden electors will depend on the political calculations of the 18 Republican Senators whose seats will be on the ballot in 2022 (not including two who have already announced their retirement). A couple of them are probably going to retire but just haven’t announced it (e.g. Grassley), but for the rest this is probably the single most consequential vote of their careers.
These will be the first Senators to face a Republican primary after the vote, when the memory will still be fresh and Trump will undoubtedly have spent two years keeping that memory alive. If they vote against Trump, they are all but guaranteed a furious, well-funded primary challenge. How many of them will decide that they’re willing to run that risk?
I’m not sure what you mean. I’ve said that Lin Wood does not represent the Republican party. He’s called for Pence to be arrested for cripes sake. Only* 11 senators (so far) are on board with challenging the election. That seems proof that most of the GOP does not believe like Wood.
* - 11 is 11 too many.
I largely agree with this. I don’t think the Republicans actually want to overturn the election. They just want the support of the Trumpists in upcoming elections and they think this will help. Which is, of course, a sad reflection on the state of their voters.
Deeg.
It should be zero lawsuits
It should be zero House members
It should be zero Senators
The very fact this thread is continuing this long after I started it should be damning to the Republican party. They deserve no defense for this shit, this obvious attempt to create yet another ‘lost cause’ narrative which splinters the country yet gives them an unassailable block of voters. If it weren’t for a quirk in the rules and circumstance… that the House has to vote for this shit too… this coup would be inevitable. And it still yet may succeed!
You are defending the indefensible. There has to be a breaking point in your defense of these assholes and I guess I’m wondering… what is it?
Yes, and the transparently-specious excuses the Sedition Faction are given for their January 6 plans reinforce the point that they don’t care who knows that they support dictatorship.
Josh Hawley’s pile of lies illustrates the point. As the NPR report on it noted:
This has held true for all statements by the Sedition Faction: they state that there are Allegations of Fraud that concern them so deeply that they Must Act (by attempting to stop or delay the pro-forma January 6 acceptance of the Electoral College results).
Not a single one of them has provided one particle of evidence. In fact, they all know that there is no evidence.
Here’s what I think needs to be highlighted: Senators and Representatives may allege a problem while providing NO evidence that the problem exists—they argue that their FEELINGS that something is wrong shows they are acting in good faith.
A mechanism is needed to short-circuit this Congressional sophistry—annoying at the best of times, but actively dangerous now.
If you allege fraud, you must provide evidence of said fraud. If you don’t, you must face consequences for your bad faith.
Now we’ve shifted from Lin Wood to the GOP in general. I’ve said that the GOP shouldn’t be challenging the vote. What I’ve pushed back on is that I don’t believe the Republican leadership is behind this. I also don’t believe the intent is to overturn the vote. We can differ over whether they have tried hard enough to shut this down.
They don’t want to shoot any bank tellers; they just want to take the money and run. The agenda can change as circumstances change, as different people become involved, and as these different people see opportunities for themselves.
Question: Why is Ted Cruz, once the fiercest challenger to Trump, now leading the current effort in the senate?
Because he’s jockeying for position in the hearts and minds of MAGATs for 2024, and “I fought for Trump!” is a key selling point for them.
He’s signalling to the wackos that he should be their man in 2024. He wants to be the “someone smarter than Trump” we all fear.
Considering he has been repeatedly politically humiliated by Trump, of all people, he may be once again thinking himself more clever than he is…
It can’t be said any better than this.
Ted Cruz is quite possibly the most ambitious man in American politics, and he has never had a problem realigning himself with whatever faction he believes is best suited to propel him to the White House. Early on he worked his way up through the Republican establishment, clerking for Rehnquist and working in the GWB administration. With the rise of the Tea Party, he saw an grabbed an opportunity to reinvent himself as a fire-breathing conservative and bested our party establishment Lt. Governor in the primary for Senate. He thought that being a hard-right Tea Party champion was his ticket to the Oval Office, but then Trump happened. And so now he’s reinventing himself again as the MAGA Head champion to try to ride this movement to the top.
If somehow Hare Krishnas became a driving force in the Republican Party, you’d see Cruz shaving his head and bothering strangers in airports.
I’m stealing that line about Cruz.
i already did but i credited flurb 
I fear we are heading to an era where whenever a party holds both houses of Congress, it cannot lose the presidential election. Even if the majority party loses miserably, it will simply refuse to accept electors unfavorable to it. That’s why this must be nipped in the bud. But I think the genie can’t be rebottled. Even if this coup fails, Republicans will overturn future elections if it happens to hold both chambers.
I did and put it on my FB page, just said I was retweeting. Now flurb, if you want credit I will name names.
Tumbrels, guillotines.
Pence signals support for GOP lawmakers trying to overturn EC votes
Why do I think there is more afoot than meets the eye? I’m not saying they have a shot at success but Pence getting onboard makes me think he plans to pull some sort if stunt on Wednesday.
I’ll be OK. 
I actually read that Pence statement as him distancing himself from playing any active role in rejecting Biden electors, as he’s being called on to do by Gohmert and others. When he says he, “welcomes the efforts of members of the House and Senate to use the authority they have under the law,” he’s putting the responsibility for the failure to overturn Biden electors right back on members of Congress.