The Americans Season 3

Elizabeth is not a masochist, as far as we know, although she’s incredibly tough, and presumably proud of that.

I think the most reasonable fan-wank as to why they didn’t get a Soviet dentist is that they can only all on the center for help in dire emergencies. Surrounded by CIA tail cars and about to be captured = call. Very painful teeth = suck it up.

By the way, was I the only one who noticed how fake their Scrabble was? All the scores they announced were added up incorrectly, and while “STYGIAN” is an actual (very good) Scrabble word, anyone who wasn’t trying to show off would have found STAYING immediately instead (due to the ING), which is the same score and can be played in the same place.

I also disagree that the FBI and CIA look like bumbling morons. They’ve come very close to catching Elizabeth and Phillip several times, and P & E make their share of mistakes, too. Stan is a very sharp agent even with his particular blind spots. It’s a nice, tense cat and mouse even though we know P & E can’t get caught yet or there wouldn’t be much story left to tell.

Then again, my bumble-o-meter might be rather skewed after suffering through the entire first season of The Blacklist.

It wasn’t showing off, it was about getting the other guy to call him on a word and use the dictionary.

Yes, they cheated on each other. It’s part of the fun for them

You’re right Charlie Wayne, it was getting heavy and it was partly my fault. It just gets frustrating when people don’t simply ask a question - as you do - but automatically assume an error in the show.

This thread makes me realise just how much viewers miss.

Anyway, better to chill.

One thing I’ve learned from living in Moscow: The people there may no longer consider themselves Soviet, but they NEVER, EVER stop being Russians. And yes, there was enormous resentment of their geriatric political leaders sending their sons off to die for nothing in Afghanistan, even though it was seldom openly expressed.

I saw the same thing happen over Chechnya in the 1990s. What’s going to happen with Ukraine, I don’t know; support for Putin seems to be holding up so far. But then, I’ve been gone for several months now.

You think that Philip, who we know is brilliant, totally failing up to add his scrabble points correctly, and then it never being remarked on, was intended as “these two guys cheat each other, it’s part of the fun”, as opposed to just “let’s have them play Scrabble and write some random dialog without any connection to what’s actually going on”? I think Occam’s Razor suggests the latter.

right. random dialog and scrabble.

I hope you won’t mind if I disagree with you a little bit.

If P&E ever get caught, harken back to Season One and that scumbag Colonel who raped E? P&E discussed the possibility of defecting. They could get millions of dollars (based on what that rapist got).

So … there could be an incredibly great story to tell. Paige would balk at the prospect of spying on her friends and on the only country she has ever known.

Bless her heart. P&E would be faced with a huge decision. Either they go along with the US government and keep their family together and become double agents and work for the US Govt. Paige (bless her heart) would be so proud of them. It would open up a whole new chapter in their lives. Their family would become so much closer and there would be all kinds of stories to tell about how P&E become US heroes and help the US defeat the Russians and get rid of Communism.

How would you like the story where P&E are central in Russia’s overthrow of communism? I think it would make for a great story and there would be oh so much to tell! I would love it!

I definitely felt that Stygian was screwing with Phillip. And that was before someone pointed out Staying.

Oh no! Please don’t do that. I think you are an important component to this thread and it wouldn’t be nearly as potent if you left for a while. I truly enjoy most of the posts here and that certainly includes you.

In thinking more about Paige, it just a sloppy amateurish notion, but if this show were to get renewed for 4 or 6 or more seasons, an interesting way to let things develop is if Paige does learn the truth (how could she possibly avoid learning the truth?).

But, then most of the story lines would converge on Paige. She could become a serious forceful agent. Maybe even more serious than her mother.

She could lead the charge in getting her parents to become double agents and she could then do things in the USA that P&E never even dreamed of. She could watch as P&E retire and she could then lead a new generation of 2nd what did they call them?

It would be so much fun to watch timid and awkward Paige develop into a powerhouse of an agent and work for the USA and turn in all the Russians that her parents knew so well. What a contrast between Paige and Jarred.

Anyway, that is one way this show could develop and it would be one way that would grab my attention (I think) and at the least, it could also answer the questions re E’s father and why he is the “black sheep” of the family.

A couple of points about the 2/10 episode:

  • I thought the dental extraction was intended to be sexual in nature: she had to get herself ready, open up wide, and when he wasn’t done, she had to take a breath and let him proceed. The intimate closeups could have been from a bedroom scene. Like others have already said, it was about re-establishing trust.

  • Did anyone else notice the Time magazine article was folded open to an IBM ad using Charlie Chaplin to sell IBM PCs? I remember reading that particular issue and that particular ad. I think it was this ad Another “kudos” to the show’s staff.

  • Paige has shown no particular interest in the Soviet Union - she turned off the news about Brezhnev’s death just last week. She’s reading the paper and getting interested in church-sponsored protests; are they thinking she has a fertile mind to plant the notion of abandoning the only country she’s known to aid a place that’s always been an enemy. I just don’t buy it.

  • That new oil painting of Andropov got painted and sent to the embassy pretty quickly!

And it serves to contrast with the earlier intimate bedroom scene. I don’t think a show as sophisticated as this one is showing us Keri Russell’s ( admittedly impressive ) ass for fan service. We have Elizabeth in a good mood trying to entice her husband into some marital fun, calculatingly dropping her robe while good-humoredly mentioning she just turned down a pass from a young contact. And Philip cutting off that attempt at intimacy cold, furious at her over the Paige mess.

The tooth scene was in a sense the makeup sex after a shared trauma. As you say, re-establishing trust rather than treading back down the path of marital seperation the show has already marched down a previous season. They’re making the characters a bit more emotionally complex than that.

And I’m with those that think that the idea that Elizabeth doesn’t love anyone is ludicrous. She’s damaged goods psychologically and a zealot, but she is no sociopath. She’s just trying to stubbornly pound the square peg of her affections into the round hole of her fucked up situation and expectations.

I don’t think we’re meant to buy it as viewers. The KGB wants to buy it because they’re salivating at the thought of a second-generation deep mole. Elizabeth wants to buy it to reconcile her conflicted selves. Philip doesn’t buy it and as his read on the “potential coup” after Reagan was shot shows, he has always had the deepest understanding of American culture. Elizabeth is partially blinded by her zealotry, the central office by an utter lack of understanding.

I would think that recruiting Paige would take years of steering her towards left-wing political beliefs before bringing up the question. I can’t imagine anyone just agreeing to spy against her country out of the blue for no reason, or even keeping silent that her parents are spies. They should have a long time before they have to face any real dilemmas about putting her in the spy game, especially since the plan would require her to get through college before being eligible for a decent job at the CIA or FBI. The Soviet Union will be falling apart before she’s ready to actually do much of anything.

Interesting allusion in the dental extraction scene. Certainly I could see it being sexual in nature, about re-establishing trust, Elizabeth’s watery smokey pleading eyes are completely locked on him and trusts his instincts. I wonder too if it has something to do with Peter trying to somehow extract the sickening feeling that he is losing what little semblance of normalcy he has left. His wife will endure even the most excruciating pain, her tooth in pieces and she won’t give up the fight. His daughter has resigned herself to self reliance in the face of her parents never being there for her, and he’s at once proud and profoundly sad that she’s grown up this way. He is a stranger to his daughter, so trust issues with her will always come between them.

Keep in mind the second generation illegals program is explicitly not doing the kind of work that Phillip and Elizabeth are doing. The goal of the 2nd generation is to get legitimate jobs in places of trust in the government since they now have covers deep enough to pass thorough background vetting.

Most of the work required of them is basically doing well in school and schmoozing the right people.

Bumbling or not Bumbling?

NY Times recap: 'The Americans' Recap: Mother Russia and Her Children - The New York Times

When will Stan finally figure it out?

In this episode, Elizabeth, in disguise, has a sympathetic drink with a disaffected veteran C.I.A. officer played by Jordan Baker. Listening to the woman’s tale of sexism and maltreatment, Elizabeth waits for her cue, the three little words every K.G.B. agent longs to hear: “Screw the C.I.A.”

In moments, she is out the door and striding down the street with her prize in her pocket — the names of C.I.A. personnel backing the mujahedeen against the Soviets in Afghanistan (click here for a handy and concise B.B.C. timeline).

Two men burst out of the darkness, and we hear a familiar voice. Could it be Frank Gaad (Richard Thomas) on a foot-chase? Isn’t this below his pay grade? As they draw near, Elizabeth strikes. She takes both men down with some explosive hand-to-hand combat and clever improvisation with a passing motorcycle, and finds herself pointing a gun in the face of, you guessed it, Gaad, Stan’s boss at the F.B.I. She slams the gun across his face (Goodnight, John Boy!) and is gone. But so is the precious paper she was trying to protect.

At home, she’s battered and badly bruised, wearing her robe and holding an ice pack, as Philip and Stan arrive from an EST meeting – part of Stan’s latest attempt at patching up his long-broken marriage by retracing the emotional journey of his love-starved and now estranged wife. (And based on the crude snippet we hear of the meeting, it’s hard to believe Sandra, played by Susan Misner, found someone there worth hooking up with).

Unable to detect the wince beneath Elizabeth’s smile, **the bumbling Stan **buys her excuse that she was injured carrying groceries.

The next morning he sees the “other guy,” his amusingly bandaged boss, and ribs him about being on the losing end of the fight against a woman. A petite woman. Probably a Russian spy. Maybe even one of those illegals they have been searching for. And yet another set of sketches of her is on the way. Heh heh.

At this point, you want to shout: Dude, the spy lives next door! How did you ever stay alive undercover when you can’t make basic observations about your surroundings?

Stan will have to recognize her when that sketch circulates, won’t he?

'The Americans' Star Keri Russell on Season 3: Is it Sexist to Not Recruit Paige? This interview with Keri Russell pretty much gives away Elizabeth’s intentions with her daughter, so don’t read if you are completely anti-spoiler.


I just love this line …

Unable to detect the wince beneath Elizabeth’s smile, **the bumbling Stan **buys her excuse that she was injured carrying groceries.

The added “bold” type in this post was strictly my idea.

Oh no!

After reading the above interview with Keri Russell, I don’t love her so much anymore.

I am very subdued about that now. Shit! I sure do wish I had never read that.

Yeah, bad plot hole. I’m pretty sure they had planes in the 80’s, so she could go to California and back over a weekend. Surely the KGB has a dentist somewhere in the US. If only they knew somebody in the travel business…

I also don’t understand about the cars. In the first season, they were clearly using their family car to transport dead bodies, so you would think they’d use it for (what they thought was) long-range surveillance. But evidently they now have burner cars.

And whatever happened to the muscle car Phil bought?

Yep, it’s not spelt out as far as I know. I assumed they use non-traceable cars when they’re wearing wigs - don’t we all …

You now, undercover gig, undercover wheels.

And further, Stan sees Sandra to try to reconcile, and she insists on carrying two bags of groceries easily.