Yours has become one of those names that I zoom in on to see what was posted. And responses like that are why. We are all bigots in one way or another, which is why I can’t get far beyond rolling my eyes when one person calls another person a bigot. I mean, it may as well be one person calling another a biped. I don’t understand the argument that one bigotry might be worse than another. Certainly, when bigotry becomes manifest as violence, a line has been crossed. But if it is merely a matter of voluntary association, it seems to me that the suppression of bigotry is itself a crossing of the line — from freedom to tyranny. There will be those who will simplify what I just said and regurgitate it as “Lib thinks gay rights is tyranny” or some such, but I know you won’t be one of them.
Lib is a biped! Four legs good! Two legs bad! Couldn’t resist.
Like it or not, we are all bigots in our own way. That’s actually OK with me, just so long as it isn’t used to deliberately misinterpret/misuse the law or create some new law against someone. If bigotry means “you’re different so I will stay away from you” that’s fine. See my Live And Let Live policy. If it is “I will interfere with your life or your private personal business” then it’s dead wrong.
Finally it is very tiresome for anyone to come into these discussions and try to use a religion (any religion) or preacher/pope/bishop/whatever as justification for intolerance. It shows an inability to think for yourselves. It is one bigot simply parroting the words of some other bigot. It would be more honest and refreshing to hear “I just hate you. Just because” It’s more direct and honest.
Exactly. Frankly, if someone has such lousy taste as to not want to be around me, then I sure as hell don’t want to be around him.
I’m not a Christian myself, so I could very well be wrong, but didn’t Jesus specifically say that you do not have the right to judge other human beings?
Are you sure about that? I’ve seen more than one poster on this board re-evaluate their stance on gay rights after being called on their bigotry. Even (or maybe especially) when called on it in an overtly hostile and confrontational manner. Most people don’t want to be hated. And when they see that certain statements consistently draw the anger and condemnation of of the group about whom they are making the statement, at least some of them eventually make the connection that their original statements = the angry rebuttals they receive. Basically, if every time you say, “Homosexuality is sinful,” a homosexual responds with “Fuck you!” it does not take a formidable intellectual leap to recognize that, for a good number of people, saying “Homosexuality is sinful” is exactly the same as saying “Fuck you!”
Yeah, I know. You don’t think it is. You don’t mean it to be interpreted like that. Tough titty. That’s exactly what you’re saying to me when you take it upon yourself to judge the morality of my personal relationships.
Maybe. But does that mean she’s not a Catholic? You seem to be saying that being Catholic requires one to feel that homosexuality is immoral. In my experience with Catholics (which is pretty much my entire family, on both side, from many different branches of the Church) that’s certainly not the case. Your church may teach that homosexuality is sinful. Wether you adhere to that portion of your church’s teaching, however, is a decision that is entirely up to you, and trying to fob off responsibilty for that decision off on the institution in which you worship cuts you no slack whatsoever.
It’s called “cherry picking”. You take whatever supports you, even if it is out of context, or if read in full would contradict you. You simply extract the “useful” part. Anything that does not support you (“Judge not lest ye be judged according to thine own standards”, the parable of the self righteous Pharisee, the one about the Samaritan, etc.) is simply ignored.
Some people do not want to take that step. Nothing is an insult unless it is directed at them. But the rest of us are constantly told to be nice, smile, and win them over with goody goody sweetness. It got old ummm 30 years ago.
Exactly. You’re sinful, you’re evil, go burn in hell are not very good ways to break the ice or make any points. You tell someone they are no damn good, that is how they will take it.
Ditto. If you stir up the hornets, have the decency to own up to it, rather than using a convoluted version of “they made me do it”.