You sure do want to use gendered insults against women, don’t you?
I certainly hope the answer is that no, you don’t get to use gendered insults like most of those. Call Fonda a traitor if you want to make the sort of aburdist argument that should be allowed on the board, by all means; but the gendered insults? I’m 100% okay with you having those removed from your arsenal. (And, of course, the use of them against Trump women is also repugnant.)
I genuinely think that removing those words from your repertoire won’t weaken your ability to make your case.
No, Shodan was unpopular because he was a jerk. Actually, he was a lot more than a jerk, but I shall refrain from using all the insulting-but-accurate terms I’d use to describe him.
Noting, warning, banning, or suspension for referring to a politician as a harpy is stupid. Especially considering the words directed at republicans or Trump on a daily basis. Inconsistency and lack of clarity are not virtues.
We all have our lines that we choose not to cross. I’ve never, for example, called a woman a “bitch”, in anger or as a joke. Hell, I won’t even use it in reference to a female dog. But “sonofabitch” trips off the tongue in reference to a dude or as an expletive. Nothing remotely degradational towards women is meant in that usage of the word. Are you saying you would choose to eradicate all such use of these words? What about “bastard”? Are we really talking about an entire cleansing of the English lexicon of words someone might find offensive in a way that is not intended? Because I’m concerned that we might end up getting rid of “fuck”, and that’s a world in which I don’t want to live.
We know that some words are offensive by their very nature or in how they are used. We know that you can appear to be perfectly polite while expressing hate speech. We all know that even in the most formal forums, GD/GQ/P&E, jokes are a constant presence. We know that offense can be taken without offer, and often is. Is it reasonable to insist that others must respect our rights not to be offended by certain use of language? Freedom not to listen may be almost as important as freedom of speech.
I read the mod note and will avoid doing so going forward in MPSIMS. I see no reason to rebel against a reasonable request.
If by* targeted *you mean some posters were happy to see a post that needed reporting, you are likely right. I am sure that that same thing happens to me- I am very unpopular with a certain group. Some posters can post something marginal and people will skate over it.
But if by targeted you mean the Mods had it in for him? I disagree strongly
Really? It is verbotten that I compare any female on the planet to any other distasteful female entity, real or imagined, for any reason? But I can do exactly the same thing for a man and nobody cares? No outrage or mod sanction for say, Rush Limbaugh as Jabba the Hutt? Perfectly fine to call Jeff Sessions a satyr? This is pretzel logic that makes no sense.
As was explained, Shodan had a history of misogynistic statements. This happened to be his last. I didn’t find it so appallingly egregious to deserve a banning, but I’m not the one who makes and enforces the rules.
So what are we talking about? You think I have a similar posting history? Fine. Dig it up and report it. Otherwise, what is your problem with me specifically?
From a purely technical standpoint, I agree with (almost) everything you say here. But you’re completely missing the point.
The issue at hand is not your general character. The issue is your characterizing the position of your disputants in this thread as "that vigorous conversation among diverse views cannot happen unless you put up with people calling women “harpies.” The question is whether that’s even a remotely accurate representation of the positions of those to whom you’re ascribing this position.
Misrepresenting the position of one’s debate opponents detracts significantly from the discussions. You yourself expressed strong opposition to the practice in this very thread. The forthright thing to do would be to either back up or back away from this characterization. This is completely independent of whether you will succeed in changing my opinion of your honesty or whether there’s any value in doing so.
Sorry, I’m not in the habit of reporting posts, because I believe in the power of the scroll-y wheel on my mouse.
Also, I don’t have “problems” with anonymous message board posters.
I simply find your unmodded and apparently un-reported statements calling Melania Trump what others deem a sexist, misogynistic term interesting in the context of this thread.
It is like those “three strikes cases” where the previous two striker as manslaughter and sexual assault, but the third is stealing a bike. You aint going to prison for just stealing that bike.
These lines aren’t always easy and clear. I don’t really have a problem with the ones you mention (aside from “bitch”) – I think the misogynistic slurs have a clear history of being used to demean and degrade women, and thus ought to be avoided. I don’t think these other terms have the same history, and thus I don’t really care about their usage.