Wesley’s citing the Zeitgeist flick, which, IMHO, is a cancer upon humanity.
Some of the superficial aspects of Christianity do bear some resemblance to what that flick is promulgating, but the core of its argument borders on utter insanity.
There is, however, no evidence that Jesus was born on December 25, either in the bible or archaeologically. December 25 first appears around 200AD
Nitpick: this was probably a typo, it was more like about 1000AD.
What? Then what did work when someone has gone from obese to normal weight, chopping off a leg?? Not being facetious here, would just like to know…
Yeah, my response was: “What’s left if you get rid of diet and exercise?” I could perhaps see that they are not sufficient in and of themselves, but they must have something to do with it (diet certainly).
Getting back to the OP for a second.
Genetic memory?
If I may speculate, this is the theory that stereotypical traits are genetic, i.e. assuming all black people have rhythm or a Native American will know how to live in harmony with the land because “it’s in his blood.”
Rap is a genre of music.
That’s a pretty big lie, there.
That doesn’t seem to be the meaning the OP is using. He seems to be saying that people can inherit memories.
All humans are equal.
I may not be anywhere as near as intelligent as Einstein was but I make up for it by being a nicer person.
Olympic athletes may be incredibly much more fit then I am but I’ve got a pleasing smile.
Astronauts actually are braver then me and put themselves into alien and dangerous situations voluntarily but none of them are named Lust4life.
If I commit an act of pure evil its because of my genetic heritage, dysfunctional childhood or because of my deprivation, so its not my fault .
So I’m just as good as you.
Yep we’re all equal alright.
It’s a means of delivering lyrics, typically voiced over hip-hop music 
:smack: Yeah, I meant 1000AD. That was an awfully stupid typo, good catch.
I’m still waiting to hear about how this genetic memory works, but **devilsknew **doesn’t appear to be returning to this thread.
5% which is different than 0%. But that isn’t really “diet and exercise” don’t work since the reason most people regain is that they don’t continue to follow a strict diet and exercise regimen. i.e. yeah, it doesn’t work if you don’t keep doing it.
Its far better to use diet and exercise not to become obese in the first place.
For something like 5-8% of the population, diet and exercise are effective over three years. That wouldn’t pass FDA muster for a drug, but if you’re one of the lucky (or exceedingly high willpowered) few, it works.
Bariatric surgeries have between a 30 and 65% long term success rate, depending on surgery type and compliance (with side benefits to certain types of diabetics). It used to have a disproportionately high risk, as well, but that’s come down. For the time being, this may be the “gold standard” of weight loss when measured by success.
Enforced diet & exercise programs (i.e. “Fat Camps”) have a higher than unaided success rate, but I can’t find any good cites for exactly how much, beyond “about twice.”
If none of these work for a given individual, it may be that nothing will, which is true for many of today’s obese. Which makes obesity just another incurable disease.
OK, let me add this oned…
Prices can be moral or immoral.
I came here for this one.
You win the booby prize.
Sometimes this board is SO predictable.
Mmmm…, boobies! Yeah, I’m a straight male. So sue me… 
In other words, “I can’t factually refute what you’re saying, but I’m going to attack it anyway.”
No, there’s by definition no strict argument about this subject, but so many people decide to be complete jerks about it…
And 100 years ago, “drugs” weren’t very good at curing diseases, but they work a lot better now. Many diet and exercise programs seem to be inherently unsustainable, but there sure is a lot of evidence that for a lot of people, what you eat and how you move have a greater effect on your weight and body type than heredity.
Given that, research to discover diets and exercise programs that are sustainable and effective seems like a good idea to me.
Anecdotally, everyone I know who has lost a great deal of weight and kept it off did it by permanently changing the way they ate and exercised, not by developing more will power.
For what it’s worth, I’m going to claim that making permanent changes to huge areas of lifestyle requires significant willpower. If it didn’t, it would be easier for most people to do. It’s not like many folks are unaware of the effects of diet and exercise on weight, they are just unable to make (or more commonly maintain) such changes.
Sure they do. The fact that people don’t stick with the diet and exercise is another matter. Saying diet and exercise don’t work against obesity is like saying that penicillin doesn’t work against gonorrhea if people don’t use it as directed.
What do you think does work as a “cure” for obesity?