I got a good laugh out of that.
The Democrats ran Obama because he was black. They ran Clinton because she was female and well, she was Hillary. Neither one of them was qualified in the slightest to be President. I’m glad the American public saw that in Hillary’s case; it’s a crying shame they didn’t see it in Obama’s case.
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I’m going to have to ask for your cites on Obama because he was black and Hillary because she was female.
I don’t think so. She figured out how to beat Bernie in in the 2016 primary. She made no general election campaign mistakes in 2008 because she didn’t run in the general.
Her problem in the general was mostly just that she is Hillary Clinton. Maybe she could have changed something enough to appeal to the Bernie supporters, and win by a nose, but the leaked, cough <Russia> cough, emails made sure that didn’t happen. Trump had some actual supporters, but at least half of his votes came from people that saw he was a Bozo, but somehow thought HRC was worse.
and that neither was qualified to be President
As dysfunctional as the campaign was you can’t omit the fact that Hillary ran the campaign she should have ran if the polls had been correct. There was no inkling that the blue wall was in any danger, as far as anyone could tell she was comfortably ahead everywhere she needed to be and concentrating on expanding the map rather than defending the blue wall at all costs made perfect sense given the information at hand.
The one thing I’d heard that I could agree was about her arrogance is that her husband told her she needed to focus more on the angry working class whites, and her dismissing his advice. Is that mentioned in this book, at all?
I do not see a problem in how she didn’t actually focus in those states she lost, because the polling said she should win. The problem I see is how she shouldn’t have been that close in the first place.
That said, I don’t know how much of that is her, and how much of that is the dark underbelly of America. I still see way too many enthusiastic Trump supporters, not just people who voted him as the lesser of two evils.
I do think this country has a huge, huge ethical problem. And a huge bigotry problem that we’ve thought was much better than it is.
I’m not sure that’s true, but let’s say it is. All that tells you is that she went to the right places. It doesn’t tell you said the right things or acted the right way or did whatever she needed to do to convince people to vote for her.
That’s just not right. Obama didn’t win because he was black. He won because he ran a fantastic campaign and motivated and inspired people in huge numbers. The guy was brilliant and there is no shame in acknowledging that. I wish his policies were more aligned with mine, but I would never deny how effective a politician he was. Clinton was also competent as a politician. I think she was the nominee more because she was a Clinton and less because she is a woman. Both were well qualified for the office.
Set me to wondering how many people changed their minds due to campaigning? Hillary ran a bad campaign, the evidence being the huge lead she frittered away? Maybe we are thinking the campaign is the contest when it has already been largely decided. Trump showed us a loudmouth lout for months, didn’t change many minds, it would seem. So why would we expect Hillary’s campaigning to change their minds?
What was she supposed to do, reason with them?
Yes, I was just watching the authors on MSNBC. I believe it’s a theme in the book, from the commentary. Bill brought this up more than once. There was a conflict between analytics and the political horse-sense (if that’s the right word) and experience of team members, including Bill. She chose the analytics.
I’m not sure that I agree that it was arrogance. Many, many aspects of life today revolve around analytics and “big data”. A numbers game isn’t necessarily an arrogant one. It’s happened in athletics and other spheres as well. In this case, it was the wrong call.
It wasn’t at all surprising she beat Bernie; what was surprising was how close he came: Hillary ran for President for 10 years while Bernie only ran for about a year. Bernie was a Democratic Socialist (socialist being a poison term in U.S. politics).
Name calling doesn’t make converts?
I dunno. Take a duplicate Obama, but white, and does he win? I don’t think so. We can never know for sure, of course, but I doubt White Obama becomes president.
Well she convinced 3 million more people than Trump did, they were just in the wrong places. The wrong places based on flawed data.
Righties never get over the fact that Obama too what everybody expected would be a disadvantage (his race) and leveraged it into an advantage as it got him more votes in states where he needed them than it cost him in those same states.
I wish i lived in the country people who think being black helped Obama live in.
Agreed. I’ll concede if you’re running to be the Mayor of Baltimore being black helps but the President of the US?
Being black did help in that it motivated black voters and even other minority voters. I’d say Cory Booker has a big advantage over white candidates in 2020 at least in that one respect.
Sure, but that in no way compares to what it cost him.