I too found Chronos’s plan…odd. Might be worth a first day vote. On the other hand I think Chronos is misunderstanding the scum and sinner win conditions, which marks him as “confused townie.” Having said that, I can’t make heads or tails of your (Meeko’s) post. Anyone able to help me out here, and has meeko played before?
I think Meeko is saying that if there are Detectives or similar to look at Chronos. Maybe. Is that what he meant by deduce? Who knows. He needs to be swift because he is voting to execute and so wants to get in early. And, I guess, if he turns up dead that confirms his theory.
As I read that: Meeko thinks, based on my admittedly convoluted idea, that I might be a Scum power role. Obviously I don’t agree with his conclusion, but I guess I can sort of see his argument for it. If I am indeed a Scum power role, then it’s to the Town’s advantage for me to not only be lynched, but also executed, lest I use some sort of dastardly power tonight. We know that the sin of killing me can be erased, but we don’t know that whatever scummy power I might have can be undone.
It’s certainly possibly, and with pedescribe taking the “neither confirm nor deny” stance on it, my previously-posted plan becomes a lot riskier (if it goes wrong, the most likely outcome would be a victory for Blackhearts alone, which neither I nor most of you guys would be happy with). So it looks like “everyone wins” is not going to happen. A pity, but that was a lot to hope for, so I can’t really be too disappointed about it failing.
You think it’s odd that Chronos is suggesting that we hand the victory to the sinners? but making sure everyone is a Sinner first?
I’m afraid we might be missing something really large here, and I don’t want to give an advantage to the sinners.
At first blush, that made me think he was a Sinner, because he wanted them to win.
Then, I realized that his plan was basically to lynch the Sinners and have Town do the executing so they become sinners.
Then I reread and thought some:
This assumes that the Blackhearts already are sinners. If the Blackhearts are not Sinners, they are Blackhearts and the Blackhearts win and everyone else loses because the Sinner win condition is not met.
There is no mention of Sinners tempting Blackhearts. Maybe it’s not possible, in which case, the Sinner will want the Blackhearts lynched.
When the moderator was asked:
He responded:
At this point, I was thinking that Chronos is a Blackheart hoping to steal a win from everyone else.
Also, when we look at this point in Chronos’ situation:
If, as the Sinner tempt the last Townie, the Blackhearts kill that Townie, then the Blackhearts also win outright.
Now, someone else can look through this and see if they see the same things.
So, let me be a little more blunt to our Mod:
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[li]Can the Sinner tempts the Blackhearts?[/li][li]If so, can the Blackhearts pray to avoid becoming sinners?[/li][li]Can the Blackhearts become Sinners through the last to vote to execute rule?[/li][li]Is it possible for more than 1 faction to win this game?[/li][/ol]
I’m really sorry, everyone. The amount of work that’s been dumped on me has skyrocketed. There’s no way I can handle two mafia games on top of it, and since this game appears several orders of magnitude more complex over the other one I’m in, I’m afraid I’ve chosen to sub out of here. My time looks like it will free up significantly after a couple weeks or so, but that’s too long for my comfort; I’d rather someone more competent take my place.
**errrr, George didn’t vote for himself, I voted for george
And while we’re here, I have another question that you probably can’t answer. It appears as though E/O decesion is a majority, and it also appears that it’s the majority of ALL votes, as opposed to tallying only the votes for the vote winner. If the person is Executed, is the person who get’s the seed of sin the last person to vote execute for the lynched, or the last person to vote Execute for anyone?**
So, this is the part I’m not quite getting. Why would we assume a power role based on a bad plan? If this is a scum play then it’s a high visibility scum play, thus suggesting a fairly low value actor.
Also the case against chronos is much stronger if they are experienced. Anyone know?
First off, I would consider it cheating to lie about this sort of question (as opposed to, say, lying about my role, which would obviously not be cheating), so yes, I am actually reliable when I say this. This is the first game that I’ve actually played, though I’ve watched several others. Decide for yourself whether that constitutes “experienced”, of course.
Unless you were wondering if I’ve ever seen a Jimi Hendrix show, in which case the answer is no.
What case against Chronos? That he suggested an idea that might not work out up closer examination? Nope not buying it. That’s not a case at all, even for Day 1. Don’t rush to lynch the loud, especially Day 1.
I refuse to accept the “Edit and die!” concept. If the editing window were longer, sure I’d be all over that. But it’s so short here on the Dope that nothing important will be lost, and it’ll make things a heck of a lot easier to read. Plus, the less junk (which NETA, and things of that nature really are. Necessary evil in most games maybe, but not here), the better.
Why are people in such a rush to Execute? It seems to me that Ostracize is almost always going to be the better option, unless we have a very good reason to believe that the person being executed is a scum power role. Sinners trying to get a band wagon going perhaps?
Speaking of bandwagons, the Spurious George one actually seems like a decent day 1 Bandwagon. Those are pretty rare. But in this case, it seems likely.
